--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > > 
> > > > My immediate impression of his statement would lead me to
> > > > question whether this person had learned to separate 
samsaric 
> > > > patterns from nirvanic ones. 
> > > 
> > > I don't know (or care) who "this person" is, but my impression 
> > > would be that separation of samsaric patterns from nirvanic 
ones 
> > > could easily perpetuate ignorance, as the body-knowing is that 
> > > samsara is nirvana, and nirvana is samsara.
> > 
> > On the other hand, there are clearly many other valid 
> > understandings embracing separation or distinction between 
nirvana 
> > and samsara, so who am I to pontificate; Wholeness is truly 
> > indescribable (or is it?) :-)
> 
> The trouble with Wholeness is that it's
> not not-anything.

Yes. It would appear that Wholeness is the YES to whatever we 
(meaning the consensus of all the various conscious (and sub- and 
superconscious) elements in the bodymind) ask of (or expect from, or 
attend to in) Life, with all of the other unasked-for or unattended-
to elements still present, but relegated more to the background. It 
would seem that movement, Space-time, is merely the appearance of 
these various YES-crystallizations from Wholeness in a sequence of 
response to the ego's desire, like the various bulbs in an old-
fashioned movie marquee, flicking on and off in sequence to give the 
appearance of a singe bulb in motion. But in truth there may be a 
great many bulbs, all simultaneously present, but with only one or 
two lit at a given moment of attention :-)




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