[FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: PS to Ann "I'm not going to shut up; it's my turn!"

Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:13:03 -0700 


--- In [email protected], Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@...> wrote:
>
> I concur that online and offline are different beasts.  I do take greater 
> license online in stretching the boundaries than I would offline.  I 
> received a very unpleasant private email yesterday from Sal Sunshine telling 
> me to BUTT OUT of the dialogue between Robin and Curtis.  Now, that dialogue 
> has gone offline so it's not up for comment anyhow.  I have a lot of respect 
> for them both, honestly.  
> 
> Sal, if it's on FFL it is fair game.  Those are the rules.  If you can't 
> handle the heat get out of the fire.  That's what I do from time to time. 
>  Do *not* email me privately again.  If you do, I will post it directly to 
> FFL.  If you would like to say something to me, post it here at FFL.  I 
> sent your email to Curtis and Judy, because it freaked me out and those were 
> the only two people at the time that I could remember that knew you in some 
> fashion from FFL and whose emails were listed here.  I was looking for 
> perspective on that email because it was *so* angry.  I apologize to Judy 
> and Curtis for forwarding bad energy.  It won't happen again.   
> 
> Now, Sal, I am headed off on vacation and won't be posting for a few weeks, 
> so I will most definitely be BUTTING OUT.  Ya'll take good care of 
> yourselves and I mean that sincerely.  Emily.     

You too, and have a great vacation, away from the soap opera, the cardboard 
scenery and enjoy some fresh air and real dirt under your feet.
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: awoelflebater <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 6:55 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: PS to Ann  "I'm not going to shut 
> up; it's my turn!"
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In [email protected], Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote:
> >
> > About real world vs FFL:  my Vancouver ex and I met in a forum.  We 
> > lived together for a year.  Now we're sweet friends, emailing most 
> > days.  So realness increased somehow and continues to.  
> > 
> > 
> > Plus in person I know Rick and Alex and Robert and now Raunchy and even 
> > Buck though I doubt he remembers when we sat next to each other at a 
> > lecture.
> > It sounds like feste lives a few blocks from me.
> 
> And do they come across and seem exactly like they are at FFL? Do you know 
> them well enough offline to be able to judge this or have you had more 
> interactions with them online?
> > 
> > I knew you and Curtis long ago.  I knew Ravi on a previous forum.  I 
> > still interact with Jim on another forum.  At a funeral I read something 
> > beautiful that Edg wrote about a deceased and beloved member of that other 
> > forum.
> 
> It is not that things don't happen, and good things too, online. It is just 
> that the essential dynamic is very different from offline. People are usually 
> much more accessible and careful when they are standing next to you. I give 
> people the benefit of the doubt that they are probably much easier to talk to 
> in person, that the internet can give them an edge and a licence to be 
> different than they are in the flesh. Really, all I am saying is don't take 
> things too personally here. Some posters are very honest and real (Emily for 
> example) and some are hiding behind all sorts of personas and agendas (AZ and 
> Vaj for example) and others just don't give a poop what they say to hurt 
> people (Barry). If you get too closely wedded to  taking all of these 
> characters into your personal space and opening yourself up too deeply to 
> some of them you will find you will get slammed at some point. (I am not 
> talking in the least about Robin here by the way, he falls into none
>  of these categories.)
> 
> > 
> > I'm just saying that realness, in this online social context, for me, 
> > exists on a continuum.  And it can be wonderful when realness 
> > increases.  
> 
> Most definitely there is some realness. But, like I said, the scenery is 
> cardboard and the stars are little studio lights.
> > 
> > Share
> > 
> > ________________________________
> >  From: awoelflebater <[email protected]>
> > To: [email protected] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:39 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: "I'm not going to shut up; it's 
> > my turn!"
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In [email protected], Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, sometimes foolish, sometimes wise we are.  Because this is a 
> > > learning place.  We are all going to make mistakes.  Good 
> > > to develop wise compassion.  Even about ourselves.  And 
> > > to apologize if appropriate.  Make amends.  Intend to do 
> > > better next time.  Act wisely to mature the undeveloped aspects 
> > > of ourselves.  TM, Sedona Method, mindfulness, lovingkindness, 
> > > humor, ect.  Whatever helps us become a better person, more 
> > > loving, more truthful.
> > > 
> > > This is the best anyone can do.  And it is good enough to 
> > > do.  I am open to other thoughts and suggestions. 
> > 
> > I think, with all due respect Share, that if you want to develop and 
> > practice these noble aspirations that you list above then do this in the 
> > 'real world'. FFL is simply not that. Many of us are not quite as we seem 
> > here at FFL as we are offline. I know this for a fact. It is like trying to 
> > practice real medicine on some hospital theme soap opera.  FFL is a place 
> > to stretch some boundaries, to play a little and sometimes to fight but you 
> > aren't going to change anyone here and many times sincerity and 
> > vulnerability get sacrificed, brutally. Don't take this place or your role 
> > in it too seriously. That would be my best advice.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ________________________________
> > >  From: merudanda <[email protected]>
> > > To: [email protected] 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 6:59 AM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: "I'm not going to shut up; it's 
> > > my turn!"
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > Oh Mama Aunty Share play with her kids and they won't let Share be
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Sedon(a)-izing  her kids- demons today,
> > > Letting them out for their weekly foray.
> > > Sharing can't make them leave,
> > > and they won't let Share be
> > > if she don't let them come out to play?
> > > 
> > > The fat one on the slide is it Rage?
> > > He was good, so he's out of the cage.
> > > He doesn't play nice,
> > > and sometimes, he bites;
> > > Yeah, he's hard to assuage.
> > > 
> > > The cute one, you may like is Lust.
> > > For her, the see-saw's a must.
> > > But don't let her fool you,
> > > she's really quite cruel, too.
> > > In fact, it's her you shouldn't` trust.
> > > 
> > > See little one there is named Pout.
> > > (Bet you guessed what he's all about.)
> > > He loves to swing on wingy  swings,
> > > and sometimes, breaking things,
> > > if Share don't give in to her shouts.
> > > 
> > > Look the last one outside is Sorrow.
> > > She plays with toys that are borrowed.
> > > A real downer, she is.
> > > Doesn't like other kids,
> > > But she'll always be out again tomorrow
> > > 
> > > Sedonizing Share's demons today,
> > > Letting them out for their weekly foray.
> > > We can't make them leave.
> > > Does they  let her be
> > > if she don't let them come out to play?
> > > 
> > > Is the way into you  a narrow road?
> > > Is it boxed in, blocked out, and reprimanded?
> > > Is the way into you  tiny, yeah
> > > Can't you get there in a single stride?
> > > Can't you  get there without a guide?
> > > Is the way into you
> > > Is it a narrow road?
> > > With goodbyes and hellos?
> > > That flank each winding bend
> > > so these people  want to be your friend
> > > 
> > > You not seek, and so you'll found;
> > > Will  traveled rooted to the ground.
> > > Words that in jest you uttered here
> > > May wisdom in the heavenly sphere.
> > > (All men's questions and replies
> > > Are sometimes foolish, sometimes wise)
> > > 
> > > If you wish to learn of me
> > > Forget all this immediately;
> > > Forget there's such a thing to do -
> > > And then perchance I'll wink at you.
> > > Nameless mother of ten thousand things 
> > > From the unlocked cage of your heart
> > > White doves of love will go winging,
> > > Wild larks of song golden rise singing,
> > > The ice of your heart is then broken, broken,
> > > Joy's fountain leaps in the air;
> > > And all the while no word was spoken:
> > > You'll only looked at something fair.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In [email protected], Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Ann, poor Share was at writing group for 2 hours this afternoon, 
> > > > then Sedona Method for an hour, then Dome, then dinner, then library, 
> > > > now here.  At one point I had over 80 unread emails.  
> > > > The other forum is also being quite active today.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Before the Dome I saw that Robin had posted what he sent me offline 
> > > > last night.  In return I posted the reply I sent to him last 
> > > > night.  I've had a quick glance at 2 of his posts from after 
> > > > that.  In one of them he says he corrected something from 
> > > > yesterday.  I heard a groan in my head!  In the other 
> > > > he indicates that he's not satisfied with my reconciliation 
> > > > efforts.  I'll read both of those more carefully this evening.
> > > > 
> > > >  Having asked Robin what more I can do, I sense that I've done 
> > > > my best.  It seems that is not good enough for him.  
> > > > Nonetheless I wish him all the best always.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Thank you for all your kindness and support
> > > > Share  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > PS  Anyone who still has discomfort about my part in all this 
> > > > is welcome to email me directly.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >  From: awoelflebater [email protected]
> > > > To: [email protected] 
> > > > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 5:43 PM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eastwooding: "I'm not going to shut up; 
> > > > it's my turn!"
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > Hoo boy, and I thought I was getting confused with the quotes and poems 
> > > > from various "famous" authors and poets whose excerpts were being 
> > > > posted here by various members. Now I have to contend with letters 
> > > > written by one person using another person's name. If I'm confused you 
> > > > can only imagine poor Share...let alone Steve. I think we might just be 
> > > > about to hear from Curtis any minute now as well. God, this place rocks.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" authfriend@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "seventhray1" <steve.sundur@> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <authfriend@>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > much snipping
> > > > > > > > I have to think, Judy, that you would take exception to
> > > > > > > > someone describing an entirely fictitious conversation
> > > > > > > > with you as though it had occurred. I also think that
> > > > > > > > you might take exception to someone writing posts with
> > > > > > > > your byline,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (Steve has explained he didn't mean using someone else's
> > > > > > > account ID.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > even if it is done in the
> > > > > > > > name of so called irony.  My feeling is that you would request
> > > > > > > > that such a person refrain from doing that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It would depend, Steve. And certainly Curtis and Share
> > > > > > > are free to object or make such a request if they think
> > > > > > > anybody might have been misled.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But it was obvious to me that the "conspiracy" bit and
> > > > > > > the paragraph Robin wrote and signed "Curtis" were both
> > > > > > > ironic. And frankly, I'd be astonished if everyone didn't
> > > > > > > realize this.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Yes, I am sure everyone did realize it.  It is just something
> > > > > > I would not take the liberty of doing.  Perhaps I am more
> > > > > > sensitive along these lines.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Uh, perhaps. I guess that's one possibility.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Of course Share did respond that she had not participated in
> > > > > > the discussion to which Robin indicated she was a party.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Well, no, Steve, that wasn't what she responded. She did
> > > > > contradict what Robin had said about the *nature* of the
> > > > > discussion to which she had, in fact, been a party.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > I picked up that she wasn't too thrilled about being
> > > > > > misrepresented.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Or, she was pleased to have found something she thought
> > > > > she could use to make Robin look bad, not having
> > > > > realized that, as you yourself said you were sure
> > > > > about, everyone would have recognized it as irony.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > And also,
> > > > > > > Irony is pretty easy to detect if one is in good contact
> > > > > > > with reality, because the variance from reality in the
> > > > > > > ironic material is clear. It's really just a matter of
> > > > > > > common sense.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't think anyone is missing the irony.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Maybe you should tell Share this.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > But irony just like anything can be in good taste or poor
> > > > > > taste.  In my opinion, Robin's irony sometimes crosses a
> > > > > > line most people would not appreciate.
> > > > > 
> > > > > You're welcome to your opinion, and your taste. De gustibus
> > > > > non est disputandum.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > But it may not be enough for them to make a protest.  It
> > > > > > is not that big a deal for me either.  But since we were
> > > > > > discussing issues along these lines, I brought it up.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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