--- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@> wrote: > > > > So Judy made Sal threaten Emily " snip > > M: This is instructive in how things spin out of control > here. Remember my objections to Ann's use of words like > "traumatizing" and "vicious attack" Raunchy's "brutally" > in their imagination of an email they have not seen? > Egged on by Judy's insinuations of how egregious it was > (I disagree)those hoping for an excitement buzz escalated > what was said to make it all more newsworthy. > > And now we have the last step. (I hope) Ravi has now > turned this imagination of the email into an online threat. > It is one of his favorite troll tactics and he has used it > before. Online threats, unlike the usual FFL slander machine, > are a felony in some states and are a growing concern > monitored by law enforcement and lawyers concerned about > liability. If something actually happens after it is > claimed that an online threat has been made, families sue > everyone in sight. > > The language we use here matters. Please stop turning > your opinion about what someone wrote (that you haven't > even read) into something more exciting by making it > sound more sinister. It pushes the bent tack in the box > toward this kind of claim that is not only not fair to > Sal, it is really irresponsible considering who posts here. > > Ravi, please retract your claim that this email contained > something threatening. It did not. Not even close. This was > wrong for you to put on a public board.
For your information and that of other people, here are some quotes from a paper I found while researching an article recently on the Internet and its dangers called "Cyberstalking and the technologies of interpersonal terrorism." A few quotes in it struck me as remarkably parallel to the situation you and others find themselves in on Fairfield Life. Highlighting mine: Stalking is a problem that affects millions of people and causes them great stress and diminishment of quality of life. Stalkers and obsessive pursuers clearly incorporate any means that facilitate their pursuit, and one of the increasingly available means of intrusion is the advent of cyberspace technologies. Taken broadly, cyberstalking is `the use of the internet, email, or other electronic communications devices to stalk another person'... This quote is more to the point, relating the newer crime/complex of cyberstalking to an older, more established psychological profile of pathology, called ORI, or Obsessive Relational Intrusion. It echoes theories I didn't know existed in formal psychology, but interestingly have suggested here myself, especially about the cyberstalkers seeking a kind of intimacy that is lacking in their real lives, and going *most* crazy when this perceived sense of intimacy with the object of their obsession -- even though it's not real, and exists only the stalker's mind -- is interrupted, and their delusional sense of "intimacy" withdrawn. See if this sounds somewhat familiar to you, Curtis, both with regard to how Judy has reacted to you withdrawing from the endless arguments she once was able to lure you into, and with regard to how Robin reacted when you similarly "cut him off at the pump," attention-wise. Highlighting mine: Stalking is closely related to a phenomenon referred to as obsessive relational intrusion (ORI). ORI is the unwanted pursuit of intimacy through the repeated invasion of a person's sense of physical or symbolic privacy. Most stalking is a form of ORI, but the two phenomena are not isomorphic. Some stalking, for example, is purely for the sake of terrorism or destruction, as with political or underworld assassinations. In contrast, ORI does not have to be threatening, as in a socially unskilled paramour simply annoying or pestering an object of affection. Despite these differences, research shows that even relatively mild efforts at such courtship often cross the threshold of threat and fear by virtue of their repetition, inappropriateness, timing, and/or oddity. Furthermore, most stalking cases evolve from prior relationships in which one party is pursuing efforts to re-establish intimacy, or exacting revenge for having the intimacy removed from their lives. Thus, although stalking and ORI are conceptually distinct phenomena, their domains overlap extensively. My perception of when it was exactly that Judy went bat shit crazy at her current levels is when you finally perceived that she was attempting to force ongoing arguments onto you as a kind of sick form of intimacy, and you blew her off. She hasn't been quite sane since. Same with Robin. It wasn't anything you actually *said* to him in your interactions with him, it was the fact that you got tired of him and withdrew your attention, which he perceived as a loss of intimacy. An intimacy that never really existed, except in his own mind.
