Actually MJ74 it's pretty quiet around here this afternoon. I mean, relatively speaking. Must be the beautiful autumn weather. So post to your heart's content, stir away, etc.
Ok, here's a question: Are mantra and japa mutually exclusive? ________________________________ From: mjackson74 <mjackso...@yahoo.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 3:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Life is so much fun - Part 2 Damn! I Thought there was something wrong with me cuz my body consciousness was disappearing! But you are right - I probably should posting this stuff - it is getting too many people stirred up. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" <emptybill@...> wrote: > > Look Jackson, your gonna cause his head to explode. > > Here's an example of a former post that deals with this > point but that Willy can't make sense of in any way. > > He can't let it go 'cause he can't understand. > > > From Baba Hari Dass (the upa-guru of Ram Dass) > > On the difference between Mantra practice and Japa practice. > > 1. Mantra is the repetition of sounds or words which have power due > to the vibration of the sound itself. > > 2. Japa is the rhythmic repetition of a name of God. > > It (Japa) consists of automatic Pranayama, concentration and > meditation. The main idea in doing Japa is to make the mind thoughtless. > Then automatically body consciousness disappears. If your body > consciousness disappears, it means your sadhana is going well. The body > is the medium of sadhana and the body is the hindrance in sadhana. Japa > is a formal method of worshipping God. It should be done privately and > preferably with a mala, or rosary. > > Silence Speaks: from the chalkboard of Baba Hari Dass, 1977 (my > bolding). > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" <mjackson74@> > wrote: > > > > Look Richard, let me be very plain here - I do not give a damn where > the mantras came from nor do I know why you obsess over their origins so > much. Were I to be coming to TM now with no prior knowledge of the > practice, I might be interested. > > > > In 1974 it never occurred to me to ask - I accepted the statement that > Virginia Bedford and Jamie Vollmer (the two TM Center people) made that > the mantras were meaningless sounds. John Briganti, the first teacher I > took a residence course with told us the same thing. Believed it too. > And since the mantra still works after 38 years, I see no need to ask > where it came from. > > > > My remarks about my other two mantras received from the Movement were > facetious references to my two advanced techniques. > > > > The other two bija mantras came as I said, one from Bob Fickes, former > TM teacher who I believe was on TTC with Rick (sorry if I got that wrong > Rick.) > > > > Bob now has his own thing he calls Fulfillment Meditation. Totally > different set of mantras although interestingly he still does puja, but > he puts pics of not only Guru Dev on the puja table but pics of Kwan > Yin, Archangel Michael and so on. > > > > The last bija mantra I got is a Deepak Chopra mantra. Chopra > instructors do not use TM puja. Their meditation program was mainly put > together by Deepak and Roger Gabriel, an old TM teacher who I believe > left the TM Movement the same time Chopra did and went with him to > California when Chopra set up the Chopra Center. > > > > The Chopra instructors use a sanskrit chant, the shanti mantra Gabriel > called it, which shanti mantra chant I do not know. > > > > So yes, when I use the Babaji mantra (what Bob calls his mantras) I am > not doing TM. > > > > When I use the Chopra mantra, I am not doing TM. ' > > > > When I use my three TM mantras (spoken facetiously for the Fairfield > Life's version of Sheldon Cooper's benefit), meaning my TM mantra plus > advanced techniques, I am doing TM. If that don't satisfy you Sheldon, I > dunno whut. > > > > Nice pic of Michael Jackson - that obviously is not me or these posts > would be coming from beyond the grave. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" richard@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Careful Jackson, pearls before swine. This is > > > > > a tough rough crowd here. Rick has visions of > > > > > this place being a salon but it plays more like > > > > > a saloon... > > > > > > > > nablusoss1008: > > > > With all due respect Buck, why not let the > > > > posters speak freely? > > > > > > > <http://www.vanityfair.com/> > > > > > > Apparently Mr. Jackson doesn't want to talk about > > > the elephant in the room - the bijas mantra you get > > > when you start TM. Jackson desn't seem to know > > > much about them - he didn't seem to realize that > > > you get only one bija when you learn TM, when he > > > paid the $65. > > > > > > And, if you adopt other bijas from other teachers, > > > then you're not practicing TM. > > > > > > > When finally someone with an insiders > > > > view on the above topics volunteer to share his > > > > insights who are you to try to stop him? > > > > > > So, it's unlikely you'll be getting any insider > > > information revealed by Mr. Jackson. > > > > > > > Let anyone freely display his Pearls of Wisdom ! > > > > > > > LoL! > > > > > > Michael Jackson? > > > > > >
