--- In [email protected], nablusoss1008 <no_reply@...> wrote: > --- In [email protected], nablusoss1008 <no_reply@> wrote: >> --- In [email protected], Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote: >>> >>> On 12/01/2012 11:40 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: >>>> >>>> --- In [email protected], Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote: >>>>> On 12/01/2012 10:34 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: >>>>>> --- In [email protected], Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Remember that MMY revered Hitler too until he was told by those around >>>>>>> him to stop it. >>>>>> No, no, Bhairitu you are breaking the #1 unspoken rule on FFL; >>>>>> outlandish lies and unfounded rumours are reserved for Rick Archer. Why >>>>>> do you deny him this pleasure ? >>>>>>
>>>>> You must've have never seen those videos. I'm sure many here did. >>>> >>>> Did you ? If they excist, which they don't, you must be able to supply >>>> date and place. Without references your skills as a rumourmonger is even >>>> worse than Rick Archer. >>>> >>>> No ? Thought so. You suck as a rumourmonger. Leave all that stuff to Rick. >>> >>> It was *way back* in my SCI days. It might have been on one of those >>> tapes. There was quite a bit of talk about it back then and there have >>> also been topics about it here. I think it may have also been published >>> in one of the first gold leaf MIU books. >>> >>> Stop being in fanboy land and you'll begin to advance toward >>> enlightenment (after a few more lifetimes maybe). You're a little too >>> bound by your maya. >> >> "It might have been", "I think it may have also been" >> Like I said; you suck as a rumour-monger. > > What will be your next explanation for passing on rumours that are as dead as > the sardines in my refigerator ? How about; It must be true because it was > channeled by mjackson74 ! I did a search on Hitler on FFL. Here is a FFL post that mentions MMY and Hitler from 2001. I seem to recall MMY being fond of Richard Nixon too. There are tapes of MMY having Purusha chumming it up with dictator Ferdinand Marcos of the Philippines, but if such videos or audios exist, we do not have control over their distribution, it seems likely they will not see the light of day again with the TMO in charge. [begin repost FFL post #116 October 10, 2001 - I cleaned up the format and some misspellings for easier reading]: --- In TMNEWS@y..., "M. van Rooij" <maximiliaan@m...>wrote: > From: Edmond Chouinard, TM Teacher, Advanced Siddha, Governor > Dear Maharishi: > What has happened to this TM Movement? A once very beautiful organization, > full of uplifting promises and beautiful experiences to all meditators is now > being seen more and more adrift from the common sense realities known to most > meditators involved in the world. When I see old videotapes with interviews of Maharishi then I always think: something went wrong. How could an spiritual organization with bliss and innocence became so rigid? > TM is the world's great promise to self realization through experiences of > joy and fulfillment. TM is a blessing to the world. Jai Guru Dev, punah, > punah. Yet, Maharishi, you look for large groups of folks to meditate > together, all the while ignoring and throwing away most of the vast millions > of beautiful souls who have already been initiated into TM. Local centers are > dissolving daily, mostly because of a consciously and willfully imposed > maintenance of central control, much like a dictatorship, usually in the name > of keeping the teaching pure. If there is to be nothing left, then the > question of purity is a moot point. Thousands of meditators surround local > centers, yet there are no programs or leadership to attract the meditators. > Everyone feels the cold, often arrogant, and progressively less thought out > controls that send people away rather than drawing them forward. Because the Movement has become so rigid, it is frightening away the people. Many of us who have worked in a TM-academy know how strong the control of the leaders is, and they experience how many rules and limits exists in Movements places. Beside of that the Movement shows a great deal of greediness. People are supposed to give a lot of their energy and resources to the Movement without gaining a reward of it. Nowadays people want to have a fair "payout". It really seems like that the leaders of the movement are often blocking their subordinates evolution while these workers are daily watching videotapes with Maharishi where he explains the nature of our being, the full potential and freedom we have. How Ironic! Actually, Maharishi seems to have said several times: "My Movement is dead". > Maharishi, you reference the USA leadership alongside with Hitler. This is > wrong. This is simply not correct. I must advise you of a great book,the > Bhagavad Gita, particularly the first six chapters, where Arjuna is seen > ready to fight the forces of evil. Krishna advises Arjuna carefully over > every facet of consideration. Indeed, Maharishi, you must have forgotten > about your own magnificent commentary on these first six chapters. The USA, > with worldwide support, is doing what must be done, to route out the present > deadly forces of evil. Following up for the long term, of course, is the need > for large groups of meditators to calm and eliminate the sources of such > overwhelming stresses. With this I don't agree. It is wrong to compare the USA leadership with Arjuna either! The Pandavas represent a dharmic rulership, which you cannot really compare with the leadership of the USA. A dharmic leadership is self-referral, hence the USA leadership is devoid of tha tby seeking revenge without trying to understand what created the strong hate against America. Furthermore it is doubtful if the USA can really route out "the present deadly forces of evil" by bombing. It will make hatred only stronger. If the USA is indeed routing out these "present deadly forces of evil" it will mean the USA is destroying itself! A fearful trend. The truth is that the USA is fighting this war (which was already planned in june-july) to get control over the oil resources nearby and to get some income from the opium. The US government is not protecting "freedom" and "democracy", it is protecting its military and economic power in the world.There is a very good article which I recommend to read called "The algebra of infinite justice", see http://www.guardian.co.uk/saturday_review/story/0,3605,559756,00.html .About the reference of the US government with Hitler: what they have both in common is their cruelty and successful Manipulation of the Masses. > ... I will never understand how MIU ever got to be renamed to Maharishi > University of MANAGEMENT. Maharishi,there is little to no management > occurring from this domain, relative to the TM Movement, in spite of the > overwhelming levels of intellectual knowledge. High levels of intellectual knowledge is not a guarantee of success. The truth is that many of the movement leaders who are in charge of the management of the movement, have not been able to achieve much in society in the past. Instead of integrating in society, they have found themselves a place in the movement, but there is no guarantee that they will be successful in the leadership in the movement either. There has been a case of a Maharishi Ayurveda clinic (which belonged to the Movement) somewhere in the States which was running well. Many patients, happy technicians. But some leaders in the Movement concluded that the wages of the technicians were too high, and ordered the couple, which was leading the clinic, to lower down the wages. The leading couple refused and they were replaced by another couple, and wages for the technicians were reduced. After a short while the clinic had to close down due to lack of technicians and lack of patients. What a wonderful example of a movement's management to block progress. > I question, Maharishi, is it the continual pestering from those wealthy ones > who have contributed much to the movement that are now hindering you to move > more freely? As you so wisely instructed on numerous occasions, the > acceptance of gifts leaves a karmic debt. One eventually becomes immobile > with its vast holdings of material wealth and simultaneously stagnates, much > as the Catholic Vatican, for instance. Is there some sort of irrational fear > of having thousands of little 'Maharishi-like' fiefdoms around the world, > perhaps even competing with one another? Of course, the 'owners' of the > material movement would then have to give up their dictatorial power and > control. Is the value of a material kingdom, with a real live king, of more > value than the spread of TM? The TM-Movement got frozen into a hierarchical pyramid with the leader son top deciding everything what is happening with the rest. Occasionally, movement leaders are telling lies to Maharishi to suit their own wishes. Being frozen in a hierarchical pyramid, the Movement appears not to have any productivity and progress. In this state the Movement has become very dependent on gifts and charity. I really wonder if Maharishi's Movement is purposefully put in that state by some of its leaders. > Now, Maharishi, one can retort that ANYTHING that the master says or does, is > correct and proper, by default of being the master. This is simply a self > circling syllogism which eliminates the need or desire for any common sense > in the process. Our glorious puja, even, singles out the integration of life > forces with, "sruti, smrti, purranam", meaning that all values need be > integrated, those of common sense along with the scriptures and the long > trails of holy tradition. Indeed, you have rightly taught us these things > long ago, but it would seem that you have now forgotten such things? According to some people, Maharishi does not have really a status of a Brahman but of a Kshatrya. It means he plays the role of an army commander. For sure he is a Brahman, a Guru who is giving us his precious knowledge. On the other side it looks like he does not interfere with the karmic processes going on in the Movement as if he wants people have it sorted out themselves. I have no idea what to think about that, it is just what I have heard. > Maharishi, Cosmic and God Consciousness, as originally developed by you, are > very real. Folks do have such experiences and it is possible to have some > beautiful lively discussions about such things. Only in the central core of > the TM Movement do such things always seem to be off-limits or impossible or > even ridiculous. We enjoy. Again, Jai Guru Dev. So indeed here is the strange paradox again of the teachings of Maharishi and the practices of the Movement. What the Movement is bringing into practice is often opposite to the qualities of Enlightenment. It looks like a great idea to have small TM-centres enlivened again! Jai Guru Dev Max van Rooij--- End forwarded message ---
