O.K. Thanks. I do understand endorphins though. After a long swim, I feel particularly good and unbounded. Tee Hee.
________________________________ From: Michael Jackson <mjackso...@yahoo.com> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: And so this is Christmas not really - the only reason all of us understand it is cause we had the same TM framework,so whatever M said or what is in the Upanishads and all that is our reference point I guess ________________________________ From: Emily Reyn <emilymae.r...@yahoo.com> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: And so this is Christmas This is exactly what I'm asking. Is it explainable? ________________________________ From: raunchydog <raunchy...@yahoo.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: And so this is Christmas --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@...> wrote: > > I definitely go up and down; it's a real drag.  Or maybe not.  What you say > below sounds like something Xeno would say.  "You are immersed in unbounded > awareness?"  How do you know this?  Maybe you just think you are.  > How do you know you tasted a strawberry and how would you explain it to anyone who hasn't? > ________________________________ > From: Michael Jackson <mjackson74@...> > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:07 PM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: And so this is Christmas > > >  > But like I said this is my daily experience so meditation is not something I > do for more than a few minutes - its useful for release of body stress but > the rest, well I already am immersed in unbounded awareness, so its just > thinking the mantra in the cosmic soup, I don't go up or down. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@...> > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 9:28 PM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: And so this is Christmas > > >  > Dear MJ, how do you define "Pure Awareness?"  The "Absolute is enlivened in > you?"  What does that feel like.  > > > ________________________________ > From: Michael Jackson <mjackson74@...> > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 12:07 PM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: And so this is Christmas > > >  > Thanks Emily, for your kind words. > > For me I started out with TM and the first thing it did was help me sleep > better, which was a blessing at the time. And fairly soon after I started TM > I began to have what might be termed "classic" experiences of clear > transcending, and then CC, GC (lots of those) and some Unity, and even which > for me was real cool, a couple very clear although minor experiences of > ritambhara pragya when I was on staff working for the team of governors who > were teaching sidhi prep courses in North and South Carolina in the late 70's. > > This led me to believe that all the things M said about consciousness and TM > leading to enlightenment were true since I seemed to be on that path through > direct experience. I also assumed that the promises about life improvement > such as better behavior, > better relationships and > so forth were also true. But I early on began to see a large gap between > what was promised or claimed for the effects of TM and the actual behavior > and energy of most of the leaders and managers of the Movement. > > Like so many others l made excuses for that gap, but reached a point that I > could no longer make excuses. If TM is as effective as it is supposed to be, > the way it is advertised by the Movement, it should be having a very > different effect and manifestation in those who have been doing it the > longest, especially those who have done the "advanced" courses. > > I still occasionally use my TM mantra, it is for me a stress release thing - > to explain, when I got the Chopra mantra which is chosen according to your > birthday and time, I had the experience with my TM mantra that I would sink > into the Absolute, with the Chopra mantra I felt the Absolute being enlivened > in me, very vibrantly. > > After a couple years of using these mantras, > and with the discovery of Eckhart Tolle's work, I feel what you might call > Pure Awareness around me all the time - sometimes its really prevalent and > powerful - other times it fades away. > > At this point the mantra, TM or other wise, tends to sort of pull me out of > that state of Energy - its just like sitting there thinking thoughts. And > this is proper meditation practice mind you. So for me about 5 minutes of TM > or meditation and its done. Anymore than that its just surfacy thoughts. IF I > stop meditating and sit there, silent, its all the Transcendent. TM is most > useful for me if I have some physical fatigue or muscle overwork, using the > TM or Chopra mantra releases the fatigue or stress very quickly. > > So for me I understand the love many have for TM and its use in daily life. I > have come to the conclusion that I am sure that a LOT of people here will > vehemently deny or denounce is that TM is most useful and effective in the > early years and > later not so much, partly because I think like those who feel we are in the > transcendent all the time and all we need to do is become aware of it like > Nisargadatta or Eckhart Tolle. > > I have a good deal of respect for people like Rick Archer and understand his > outlook on things, but I disagree totally with his assessment that the David > Lynch Foundation is doing good work with certain groups. I have been working > with a group of therapists of various kinds who are beginning to treat people > especially veterans who have PTSD. Given what I know about the context in > which TM is taught (the Movement) and the effect of TM in terms of its stress > release capacity it may not be the best technique for those who hold such > extreme amounts and kinds of stress that can come forth explosively. I also > do not want the TM folks teaching TM in schools at all - the reasons for the > teaching is not to benefit the people as much as it is to create more > customers for the > Movement, the teacher who are on the ground and actually teach the students > may not be aware of this, but the leaders of the Movement certainly know it. > I do feel TM is of benefit to some degree, but for both PTSD sufferers and > school kids there are other more positive meditations that will benefit them > more fully without the baggage of the Movement or their hidden motives. > > So them's my thoughts on meditation today. I await the utter revilement I am > sure to receive from nabby and others for expressing these thoughts. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@...> > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 1:57 PM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: And so this is Christmas > > >  > I think it depends on what one's expectations are for one's meditation and > what meditation practice one is following, no? > > As an operational example (not a paradigm), for me I think that meditation > helps to lower my stress level.  I have no expectations of "enlightenment" > of whatever sort; I simply want to function better in my life.  And then I > thought, hmmmmm, very different idea than "unstressing" under TM, based on > what I've read online. > > I would like to hear Mark though, so will check it out. > > I also am a reader here who really has enjoyed your posts mjackson.  > > ________________________________ > From: Michael Jackson <mjackson74@...> > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 10:42 AM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: And so this is Christmas > > >  > I think it would be instructive for everyone to watch Rick's latest Buddha at > the Gas Pump - where Mark Landau talks about his fantastic experiences of > awareness and at the same time he was still fearful, anxious etc. it does > bring one to doubt the long term efficacy of TM and perhaps any sort of > meditation - its interesting to me to note that Eckhart Tolle has > consistently said that no one gets enlightened by meditating. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@...> > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 1:34 PM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: And so this is Christmas > > >  > This same paragraph could apply to Amma based on the information that is out > on the internet now. > > > ________________________________ > From: Michael Jackson <mjackson74@...> > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:03 AM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: And so this is Christmas > > >  > And if Maharishi was really enlightened and therefore an expression of Divine > Energy, which would mean the Movement was and is an expression of Divine > Energy and Cosmic Excellence in Action, how could it have left they trail of > people who became basket cases mentally, emotionally, financially and > sometimes physically and the numbers of people who now revile Maha - doesn't > seem to be the expected manifestation of en enlightened man and movement. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: nablusoss1008 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 3:34 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: And so this is Christmas > > >  > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > Wow - wonder who's point of view is the true one? > > Consider this; Curtis is the biggest Maharishi-hater ever to have graced this > forum. The level of hate is so intense that even The Turq and Vaj becomes > mere amateurs in comparison. > > If you want to know what Maharishi felt about Christianity all you have to do > is to see the video below. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIWqJ8tJ8JU > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: nablusoss1008 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2012 6:28 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: And so this is Christmas > > > > > >  > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <feste37@> wrote: > > > > > > If MMY did have a negative view of Christianity it was because of what he > > > saw as its emphasis on suffering, which was directly contrary to his > > > message that life is bliss. In that sense he had a disagreement with the > > > interpreters of Christianity down through the ages, not with the founder > > > himself. In an interview with a Swiss journalist in Majorca on November > > > 23, 1971, Maharishi said, "I love Christ very much." He also said in the > > > same interview, "TM is a friend of Christianity because it takes > > > awareness to the field that Christ wanted everyone to enjoy." Then he > > > added,"No Christian should suffer; it is not necessary. It is not good to > > > propagate suffering in the name of Christ." He also used to refer to > > > Christ as "Lord Christ." > > > > Maharishi on Christianity: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIWqJ8tJ8JU > > >
