feste, thank you for saying all this. Good to hear someone else's good experience with TMO. Wonderful to be inspired by courage. Thanks to Doc too for his cool info about FB and google; and for being supportive of me about religious wars really being economic wars; and for saying something positive about rajas. Thanks to srijau for so much positive input. Thanks to Richard for citing wiki article on monotheism. Thanks to Bhairitu for cool info about US chart. John, sorry I was afraid to open that gigantic url you posted.
________________________________ From: feste37 <fest...@yahoo.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:45 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on Earth'? I apologize for the unpleasant post. I enjoyed my time in the TMO. I was only full-time in the movement for five years, when I was on faculty at MIU. I never felt cheated or exploited by the movement or the university. They gave me a job when I needed one. They trusted me enough to put me in charge of students. They gave me a lot. Looking back on it, those days were some of the best of my life. I knew what the movement was like, of course, but my little corner of it was fine. I never did anything unethical and was never asked to. We had some terrific students back in those days, and some amazing class discussions (uncensored, I might add). It was intellectually stimulating and emotionally rewarding. I never cared for the excessive bureaucracy or the movement hardliners, but by and large they left me alone to do my thing. As far as promises are concerned, as a TM teacher I taught hundreds of people to meditate and I never promised them enlightenment in 3-6 years. No one ever told me to say that. I never heard it in movement circles, either. And for the promises of levitating, I never thought that was the point of it. What mattered was the bliss that got stirred up when you did the flying siddhi. So I never expected to "fly," although I have to say, there is a rush of upward-flowing energy when you do the flying sutra that used to give me a definite feeling of the body wanting to rise up. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" <mjackson74@...> wrote: > > > > It might have been all of the above, but it wasn't - I was young and looking > for something - TM seemed good and it turned out not to be after a time - so > you would revile me for being gullible? Blame the victim so to speak - if > Bevan ever advertises for a lackey you would fit the bill. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <feste37@> wrote: > > > > You are so full of resentment and anger. If the TM is so bad, how come it > > took you so long to spot it? You are quick to blame the behavior of others, > > but what was it about you that fell for it all? You seem to feel you were > > cheated. What was it about you, then, that made you such an easy target? > > Were you especially naive? Stupid, perhaps? Wanting a savior? Wanting a > > father figure who would solve all your problems? When and why did you stop > > using your own brain? Perhaps if you had exercised a little more common > > sense and wisdom at the time, you wouldn't feel the need to spew out all > > this anti-TM venom now. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > > > In the first place I am not trying to upset anyone with my carefully > > > chosen and always shining with golden truth words and erudite wisdom. > > > > > > Second you are absolutely correct that there are LOTS of former TM'ers > > > who are not happy about the con artist job Marsh and company did on the > > > world and continues to TRY to perpetrate on the world. > > > > > > Which actually gives a great deal of credence to all the Golden Truths I > > > express as a conduit of Pure Awareness myself. The fact that there are so > > > many FORMER TM practitioners gives a lot of weight to the feeling that it > > > ain't all its cracked up to be. If even the basic TM technique worked as > > > advertised everyone in the world would be doing it, and we would already > > > have the proverbial age of enlightenment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: nablusoss1008 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:10 AM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven on > > > Earth'? > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <awoelflebater@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: feste37 <feste37@> > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:38 PM > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is the TMO's concept of 'Heaven > > > > > > on Earth'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Where does the TM movement say "pay no attention to what reality > > > > > > actually is"? > > > > > > > > > > It's all in the heads of spiritually lazy and (therefore) > > > > > disappointed posters here who loves to have someone ELSE to blame. > > > > > > > > Even if you don't like or agree with what MJ has to say you have to > > > > give him this: he is consistent in his viewpoint, spent enough time > > > > around MIU and the movement to be qualified to say his piece and > > > > finally, that he is a fighter with lots of gumption. He knows what he > > > > says will not change anyone's mind, he knows he will be censured for > > > > his viewpoints but he is willing to get out there and present them > > > > anyway. That counts for a lot in my book whether I agree with MJ or > > > > not. I admire his spirit and his willingness to come under fire > > > > irrespective of his viewpoints. Quality of the human being first, what > > > > he believes second. > > > > > > Under fire and cencored by whom ? > > > It doesn't seem like anyone here gets terribly upset by his rants. We've > > > seen it all before, you'll find disgrunteled former members of any > > > organization everywhere. > > > Internet is full of them :-) > > > > > >
