I also should have mentioned that I watched "The Nazi Gospels", a two 
hour show on the History channel.  The show did a good job of reporting 
some of the stuff that went on with the Nazi interest in the occult 
(especially with Himmler) that was in the book I read in the 1970s 
called "The Occult History of the Third Reich."  One thing that stood 
out was why the Nazi party attracted people in the 1920s and 30s.  It 
very much paralleled the growth of the Tea Party movement in the US. And 
THAT is very dangerous.

On 01/02/2013 12:38 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
> As you know I keep my ear to wide range of opinion so I was aware of the
> LIBOR connection allegations. There might be something to it.  These
> days the crime syndicate is a new business model.  I guess it is more
> thrilling to a younger generation of executives.  A lot of this is
> dramatized in the Cronenberg film "Cosmopolis".   An interesting point
> that Cronenberg makes in his commentary is that many wealthy people say
> that Marx is the best read for understanding how capitalism really
> works.  One of the investors in the film is a French billionaire and
> said that he found the portrayal of a young billionaire by the film to
> be very accurate.
>
> When the Ted Bundy killings took place in the Seattle area I thought it
> was a conspiracy to push the "law and order" initiative that Nixon road
> into office on.
>
> I was reading an article today about how the US constitution needs to be
> ditches and a new one created.  I think Jefferson would approve of that
> and wonder why it has taken so long.
>
> One one liberal forum a retired pensioner even admitted that he really
> didn't need that big of pension to retire.  Some own their home and even
> might want to sell it off and downsize for their golden years but the
> banksters sorta screwed that up.  White collar crime in the 21st century
> is way up.
>
> BTW, I thought Olivers Stone's latest episode of "Untold History of the
> United States" about the Reagan era is very good.  Showtime should put
> it on YouTube as a freebie.  People really don't know the true history
> of the US.
>
> On 01/02/2013 12:09 PM, seekliberation wrote:
>> Yeah, pensions and bad debts and the expectations of maintaining those = 
>> fantasy land for some people.
>>
>> Speaking of those asshole money-changers, I know this may be a wazoo 
>> conspiracy theory, but have you paid any attention to the similarities 
>> between the Aurora shooting last summer and this Sandy Hook Shooting?  The 
>> father of each culprit shooter was 'allegedly' involved in the LIBOR (London 
>> Interbank Offered Rate) scandal (which I knew nothing of until I read about 
>> it).  Apparently some people involved with LIBOR made off really big after 
>> the housing bubble crashed in 2008, as they 'allegedly' assisted in the 
>> crisis occuring.  'Supposedly' 2 men who were to either be charged or 
>> testify were the fathers of each of the shooters in Aurora and Sandy Hook.  
>> Coincidence???
>>
>> At first I wrote it off as a space-cadet wacko theory.  But as I read more 
>> into it, there are some very strange coincidences and it's kind of scary if 
>> you put all the pieces together.  But then again, all conspiracy theories 
>> are scary, and most of them I'm not to seriously concerned about.
>>
>> Anyway, you should go on youtube (or google if you'd rather read) and type 
>> Sandy Hook conspiracy or Aurora conspiracy.  It's pretty bizarre some of the 
>> inconsistencies and coincidences they show.
>>
>> seekliberation
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <noozguru@...> wrote:
>>> Depends on how you do your accounting. First off California has almost
>>> twice the population of New York and half again that of Texas.  Those
>>> figures are counting loans that don't need to be paid out right now.
>>> Those included pension benefits.  At that  I don't why anyone ever
>>> thought that paying someone on their pension what they made while
>>> working was ever going to work.  Apparently there were some really
>>> one-dimensional folks out there in charge who thought the economy was
>>> always going to expand.  Bad bet creates bad debt.
>>>
>>> I don't think there IS any solution to the global financial situation.
>>> The "money changers" have always been a problem. Maybe this time we need
>>> to boot them off the planet. ;-)
>>>
>>> On 01/01/2013 08:56 PM, seekliberation wrote:
>>>> Below are two links to show the state debt is in the hundreds of billions, 
>>>> not 28 billion.
>>>>
>>>> What you are probably doing is mistaking annual budget for total debt.  
>>>> Much like people who spout that Clinton paid off the national debt and had 
>>>> a surplus.  Clinton never paid off any national debt, and in fact 
>>>> increased it during his 8 years in office (granted, his damage wasn't as 
>>>> bad as George H.W. Bush in 4 years).  What Clinton did succeed at was 
>>>> balancing the 'ANNUAL' budget, and even had a surplus.  Considering we 
>>>> were between 4-5 trillion in 'NATIONAL' debt, if we would've maintained 
>>>> his surplus for another 40-50 years, we'd be out of this mess.  GWB 
>>>> basically nailed the coffin for us, and Obama is doing a good job of 
>>>> ensuring the coffin is placed inside a locked room.  So even if we do get 
>>>> out of the coffin, we're still screwed.
>>>>
>>>> So basically, 28 billion is most likely California's annual budget 
>>>> deficit, but their total deficit is way higher.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/04/report-california-state-debt-twice-that-of-new-york%E2%80%99s-more-than-greece/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.calwatchdog.com/2012/12/10/ya-sure-you-betcha-were-fine/
>>>>
>>>> seekliberation
>>>>
>>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote:
>>>>> So where did you get that 600 billion figure?  It was only 28 billion as
>>>>> of last September.  I'm just sitting here waiting for the place to
>>>>> collapse and it ain't gonna be any better in any other state when that
>>>>> happens or I will have neighbors I don't like or get along with.  I
>>>>> don't exactly see a lot of "self sufficient" tax payers nor
>>>>> entrepreneurs fleeing the state.  Probably for the same reason I don't
>>>>> want to leave (also add in weather).
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing wrong with socialism.  Americans have been brainwashed against
>>>>> it and there are plenty of countries that have it with free enterprise
>>>>> along side.
>>>>>
>>>>> Frankly I find the human race to be a pathetic joke.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/01/2013 02:52 PM, seekliberation wrote:
>>>>>> California is the epitome of the direction this country is going in.  It 
>>>>>> has the highest debt of any state, with a total of over 600 billion, and 
>>>>>> 1 out of every 9 people are on food stamps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The scary part about it is that a lot of people there are moving to 
>>>>>> other states now.  They are typically the entepreneurs and 
>>>>>> self-sufficient tax payers.  Eventually one of two things will happen.  
>>>>>> Either a significant # of 'atlas' type people will be gone and the state 
>>>>>> will collapse in the same way the US probably will.  Or the government 
>>>>>> will establish draconian measures such as taxing people who try to leave 
>>>>>> by taxing their assets and business they take with them.  Welcome to 
>>>>>> stage 2 of socialism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> seekliberation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote:
>>>>>>> California has over 900.  I think in order to make a new law you need to
>>>>>>> do away with two.  America has too many laws and it is stifling things.
>>>>>>>
>>
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