--- In [email protected], "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Share Long wrote: > > > > Really enjoyed this, seekliberation. Ketu is in Libra in first house for > > me. Saturn is just transiting that. Rahu is just entering Libra, will > > transit natal Ketu and transiting Saturn at some point in the future. > > Expecting wild times ahead. But in general I love when Saturn transits > > Libra. One jyotishi told me Saturn is also deep contentment and that is > > indeed my experience. When I surrender into Saturn's discipline, etc. > > deep contentment is the result. > > > Considering the state of my automobile, I think I would prefer Saturn in my > garage, even though I have no natural affinity for that brand of > transportation.
Careful Xeno, one of those white knights might come bounding in and accuse you of being mean to Share. But me, I liked your little joke. You see, I actually have a sense of humour. Now if I could only get her to actually laugh at herself, just once, when I rib her about another front row seat at Wrong or Wong or Wombat's healing hoe down. I would consider that a good day. But then no one ever said the newly-healed possess the ability to find their human condition downright hilarious at times. > > http://www.theonion.com/articles/your-horoscopes-week-of-january-9th-2013,30844/ > > > ________________________________ > > From: seekliberation > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:20 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment > > > > > >  > > I know a lot on this forum don't care much for astrology, but it did make > > sense to me as I began to understand it a little better. This will, > > however, take some explaining. > > > > A lot of gurus and belief systems have convinced many that we can achieve > > enlightenment in this lifetime. But I have a problem with the word > > 'achieve'. What aspect of our consciousness wants to 'Achieve' something? > > It's ultimately our Ego that would want to achieve something, and therefore > > our tendency to try to 'achieve' enlightenment is pretty much symbolic of > > someone with an IQ of 75 trying to become a rocket scientist. > > > > In vedic astrology, the planet that rules over our ego and indicates what > > direction our ego will want to go in is the Sun. However, the Sun, in > > Jyotish, does not have the capacity to 'enlighten' us. Ketu is the only > > planet that truly has the capacity to lead a person towards enlightenment. > > Unfortunately, Ketu (as well as Rahu) is not like the other planets, it is > > a 'shadow' planet. For example, if you want to develop qualities of > > Mercury, intellectual activities are recommended, and for Mars, competitive > > and intense activities are recommended. Unfortunately can't be developed > > more by choosing different activities or by 'trying' harder to 'achieve' > > its nature. So the question remains, how do we get our consciousness to a > > point where it can handle the qualities of Ketu, being as it is the only > > planet that can enlighten us? > > > > First, learn the speed at which the planets rotate through all the zodiac > > signs: > > > > Moon: 30 days > > Sun: 1 year > > Mercury: 3 months (approx) > > Venus: 7 months (approx) > > Mars: 2 years (approx) > > Jupiter: 12 years > > Rahu/Ketu: 18 years > > Saturn: 29.5 years > > > > So basically, interpretation of the above: The faster a planet rotates > > through the zodiac, the less stable that quality of consciousness is. The > > slower it rotates, the more stable it is. So if Moon and Sun rotate the > > fastest, then that means our Ego and our Emotions are the most unstable > > qualities of consciousness. Rahu/Ketu take 18 years to go through the > > zodiac. But as said before, we don't learn or deal with Rahu/Ketu > > directly. So instead, we have to acquire the qualities of consciousness > > that are deeper and more stable than the influence of Karma. Mercury > > (intellect), Venus (love, balance), and Mars (competition, intensity) also > > fall very short. Now you notice, Jupiter (conventional religion, > > philosophy, higher education) rotates through the zodiac every 12 years. > > So it certainly comes very close to preparing our consciousness for > > enlightenment, but it falls just shy of paying the bills. So that leaves > > one planet and one planet only: > > Saturn. Saturn is the only planet (in Vedic Astrology) that rotates at a > > slow enough rate to enable our consciousness to handle the experience of > > enlightenment. So what does Saturn represent? Patience, discipline, > > transcendence, loyalty, anything that requires sacrifice or long term > > commitment, etcâ¦. > > > > It's also important not to mistake people who display the qualities of > > either Jupiter or Saturn for enlightened people, which is often what many > > Cults do. Jupiter and Saturn are quite powerful. Jupiter can give rise to > > impressive wisdom, enough to keep the lightweight Mercury-like Pseudo > > intellectuals captivated for long enough to get their money. Saturn, if > > our consciousness really grasps it, is sometimes (but rarely) known for > > mystical abilities among other impressive traits. However, Saturn STILL > > ISN'T KETU. It prepares us for enlightenment, but in and of itself, it is > > not enlightenment. So essentially, what can we 'DO' to achieve > > enlightenment? From what I've learned, getting our consciousness to the > > point where we can handle Saturn's influence to its fullest extent is > > pretty much all we can do. However, it is important to note that most > > people are still stuck between Mercury, Venus and Mars. Those planets > > alone are kicking most people's > > asses in this world. You add Jupiter and Saturn's influence on their > > daily schedule and people will start dropping like flies. > > > > So, given the above explanation, you will probably understand my tone when > > I often ridicule the seriousness and intensity at which others in this > > world pursue enlightenment. I'm looking at that person and seeing clearly > > that they can barely handle the experiences of the lightweight planets > > (Sun,Mo, Me,Ve, and Ma). You give these people a dose of the heavyweight > > planets and you're talking PTSD for many of them. I often wonder why they > > think they're ready for enlightenment when they can barely even handle the > > really deep and heavy experiences in life first. In fact, many people > > obsessed with enlightenment downright avoid deep and heavy experiences to > > the extent of developing philosophies and paradigms that declare those > > experiences as being ignorant and unevolved. > > > > I know a contradictory attitude towards enlightenment is that anyone can > > become enlightened at anytime, it's just a matter of removing the ego from > > the driver's seat of our consciousness. Again, Sun is the ego, and > > Saturn/Rahu/Ketu are what prevents it from being in control. So > > essentially, whether someone will be able to let go of their ego is not > > something determined by their decisions or their will power, which is > > egotistic in the first place. It's almost like baking a recipe. You > > either have enough of a certain substance to counteract another substance, > > or you don't. In the same way, a person either has or hasn't lived enough > > lives to acquire the qualities of the Anti-ego planets (specifically > > Saturn) in order to let go of the ego, or they haven't. If they haven't, > > then no amount of time spent focusing on enlightenment will yield > > enlightenment. It would be like someone who can't even run a mile without > > stopping trying to compete for the world > > heavyweight title in boxing; they would get their ass kicked every time. > > > > seekliberation > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > > Thought I would offer this for purposes of discussion. These are my own > > > beliefs at this time: > > > > > > From the teachings or musings if you will of people like Eckhart > > > Tolle and Anita Moorjani, Adyashanti one has to believe that the whole > > > thing > > > about enlightenment and the whole schtick that goes with it is complete > > > made up > > > bullshit. > > > > > > Some meditation teachers like to teach that enlightenment is > > > something that is achievable in this lifetime, but in truth it is already > > > here, > > > covered over by egoic perception. Maharishi was particularly prone to > > > promulgate this idea that enlightenment was something to precious and > > > rare that > > > needed to be pursued, to be chased, and he and teachers like him do that > > > to be > > > able to get more people to buy their nosturms. > > > > > > But evidently what we have called ââ¬Å"enlightenmentââ¬ï¿½ is our > > > natural state must by virtue of being, just by being. You donââ¬â¢t > > > have to go > > > anywhere or do anything to become this ââ¬Å"stateââ¬ï¿½ of awareness > > > or being, but just > > > be. It must mean that meditation and seeking will never lead to the > > > experience of > > > enlightenment, and when most people talk about their enlightenment they > > > are > > > referring to a fluctuating experience of consciousness. > > > > > > This to me also means that the old Hindu stuff about having > > > to spend countless lifetimes as plants, bugs, animals and so forth until > > > you ââ¬Å"meritââ¬ï¿½ > > > a human body is also complete made up bullshit. Why would the Infinite > > > Magnificence, the Unlimited Love that we are choose to do that? I > > > canââ¬â¢t think > > > of a reason. > > > > > > Any thoughts folks? > > > > > >
