--- In [email protected], Share Long wrote: > > You guys are so right on! My Mom has a Saturn. Though not in her garage. > Just outside her condo. Well she actually doesn't have a garage. So it's > not that she has a garage but doesn't use it, etc. And when I say just > outside her condo I do want to clear that up. First there's the door. > Well doors really. A sliding screen one which she says is cheap and needs > to be replaced. And then a wooden one which has 2 locks though I'm only > allowed to use one of them. Then a patio which evidently had lots of drama > the last few months in that the walls were caving in. She's definitely > putting that on the crazy couple upstairs and the shoddy contractors now long > gone. Then some grass on which she doesn't like dogs to poop. Then a > sidewalk. Then more grass which she also prefers to remain a poop free > zone. Which I'm hoping we can all understand, even the dog lovers here. > Then a curb. And then her very own handicapped parking space. > That's where she keeps her Saturn. Which is white BTW. Thank God not a > creamy white which is associated with the Moon. But more of a Venus white > which is good for vehicles. Yay! > > Whew! > > Anyway, where was I? Oh yes, my Mom's Saturn. Which is actually funny > because my Saturn is in Cancer which is ruled by the Moon which is associated > with Mother in jyotish, astrology, and on all Batgap interviews (-: > > And the Moon in the 6th does aspect Saturn. And I am writing this on Monday > which is ruled by the Moon...Life, you gotta love it! > > Yikes, where was I?! Oh yes, my Mom's Saturn. Which is officially now > falling apart, meaning it's one expensive repair after another including > recently a leaky gas tank. Various gagging gasping people have been > mentioning the gas smell to her for about 2 years. But who's counting? > And guess what? Saturn, the corporation not her car and not the planet > either. At least I don't think so. Anyway, Saturn the corporation which > we have to also recognize is a person I guess, has gone out of business so > she has to take car to grumpy gas station owner in West Annapolis. She > bakes him and his wife cookies every Christmas but that hasn't seemed to make > him any less grumpy. I bet his Saturn is very screwed up (-:
Wow, what/who do we have to blame for this? Sugar, Wong or the moon and stars? > > > ________________________________ > From: seventhray27 > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:08 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment to seekliberation > > >  > Xeno, you have raised a serious point. Saturn in a garage can be very > malefic if it becomes activated. Saturn, in order to have a beneficial > influence, must be able to circulate in some fashion. We have a Saturn > now, in our backyard. It's influence is generally positive but it always > has the benefit of earth grounding in its daily circulations. > > --- In [email protected], "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Share Long wrote: > > > > > > > > Really enjoyed this, seekliberation.àKetu is in Libra in first > > > > house for me.àSaturn is just transiting that.àRahu is just > > > > entering Libra, will transit natal Ketu and transiting Saturn at some > > > > point in the future.àExpecting wild times ahead.àBut in general > > > > I love when Saturn transits Libra.àOne jyotishi told me Saturn is > > > > also deep contentment and that is indeed my experience.àWhen I > > > > surrender into Saturn's discipline, etc. deep contentment is the > > > > result.à> > > > > > > Considering the state of my automobile, I think I would prefer Saturn in > > > my garage, even though I have no natural affinity for that brand of > > > transportation. > > > > Careful Xeno, one of those white knights might come bounding in and accuse > > you of being mean to Share. But me, I liked your little joke. You see, I > > actually have a sense of humour. Now if I could only get her to actually > > laugh at herself, just once, when I rib her about another front row seat at > > Wrong or Wong or Wombat's healing hoe down. I would consider that a good > > day. But then no one ever said the newly-healed possess the ability to find > > their human condition downright hilarious at times. > > > > > > http://www.theonion.com/articles/your-horoscopes-week-of-january-9th-2013,30844/ > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: seekliberation > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:20 AM > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment > > > > > > > > > > > > à> > > > I know a lot on this forum don't care much for astrology, but it did > > > > make sense to me as I began to understand it a little better. This > > > > will, however, take some explaining. > > > > > > > > A lot of gurus and belief systems have convinced many that we can > > > > achieve enlightenment in this lifetime. But I have a problem with the > > > > word 'achieve'. What aspect of our consciousness wants to 'Achieve' > > > > something? It's ultimately our Ego that would want to achieve > > > > something, and therefore our tendency to try to 'achieve' enlightenment > > > > is pretty much symbolic of someone with an IQ of 75 trying to become a > > > > rocket scientist. > > > > > > > > In vedic astrology, the planet that rules over our ego and indicates > > > > what direction our ego will want to go in is the Sun. However, the Sun, > > > > in Jyotish, does not have the capacity to 'enlighten' us. Ketu is the > > > > only planet that truly has the capacity to lead a person towards > > > > enlightenment. Unfortunately, Ketu (as well as Rahu) is not like the > > > > other planets, it is a 'shadow' planet. For example, if you want to > > > > develop qualities of Mercury, intellectual activities are recommended, > > > > and for Mars, competitive and intense activities are recommended. > > > > Unfortunately can't be developed more by choosing different activities > > > > or by 'trying' harder to 'achieve' its nature. So the question remains, > > > > how do we get our consciousness to a point where it can handle the > > > > qualities of Ketu, being as it is the only planet that can enlighten us? > > > > > > > > First, learn the speed at which the planets rotate through all the > > > > zodiac signs: > > > > > > > > Moon: 30 days > > > > Sun: 1 year > > > > Mercury: 3 months (approx) > > > > Venus: 7 months (approx) > > > > Mars: 2 years (approx) > > > > Jupiter: 12 years > > > > Rahu/Ketu: 18 years > > > > Saturn: 29.5 years > > > > > > > > So basically, interpretation of the above: The faster a planet rotates > > > > through the zodiac, the less stable that quality of consciousness is. > > > > The slower it rotates, the more stable it is. So if Moon and Sun rotate > > > > the fastest, then that means our Ego and our Emotions are the most > > > > unstable qualities of consciousness. Rahu/Ketu take 18 years to go > > > > through the zodiac. But as said before, we don't learn or deal with > > > > Rahu/Ketu directly. So instead, we have to acquire the qualities of > > > > consciousness that are deeper and more stable than the influence of > > > > Karma. Mercury (intellect), Venus (love, balance), and Mars > > > > (competition, intensity) also fall very short. Now you notice, Jupiter > > > > (conventional religion, philosophy, higher education) rotates through > > > > the zodiac every 12 years. So it certainly comes very close to > > > > preparing our consciousness for enlightenment, but it falls just shy of > > > > paying the bills. So that leaves one planet and one planet only: > > > > Saturn. Saturn is the only planet (in Vedic Astrology) that rotates at > > > > a slow enough rate to enable our consciousness to handle the experience > > > > of enlightenment. So what does Saturn represent? Patience, discipline, > > > > transcendence, loyalty, anything that requires sacrifice or long term > > > > commitment, etcââ¬Â¦. > > > > > > > > It's also important not to mistake people who display the qualities of > > > > either Jupiter or Saturn for enlightened people, which is often what > > > > many Cults do. Jupiter and Saturn are quite powerful. Jupiter can give > > > > rise to impressive wisdom, enough to keep the lightweight Mercury-like > > > > Pseudo intellectuals captivated for long enough to get their money. > > > > Saturn, if our consciousness really grasps it, is sometimes (but > > > > rarely) known for mystical abilities among other impressive traits. > > > > However, Saturn STILL ISN'T KETU. It prepares us for enlightenment, but > > > > in and of itself, it is not enlightenment. So essentially, what can we > > > > 'DO' to achieve enlightenment? From what I've learned, getting our > > > > consciousness to the point where we can handle Saturn's influence to > > > > its fullest extent is pretty much all we can do. However, it is > > > > important to note that most people are still stuck between Mercury, > > > > Venus and Mars. Those planets alone are kicking most people's > > > > asses in this world. You add Jupiter and Saturn's influence on their > > > > daily schedule and people will start dropping like flies. > > > > > > > > So, given the above explanation, you will probably understand my tone > > > > when I often ridicule the seriousness and intensity at which others in > > > > this world pursue enlightenment. I'm looking at that person and seeing > > > > clearly that they can barely handle the experiences of the lightweight > > > > planets (Sun,Mo, Me,Ve, and Ma). You give these people a dose of the > > > > heavyweight planets and you're talking PTSD for many of them. I often > > > > wonder why they think they're ready for enlightenment when they can > > > > barely even handle the really deep and heavy experiences in life first. > > > > In fact, many people obsessed with enlightenment downright avoid deep > > > > and heavy experiences to the extent of developing philosophies and > > > > paradigms that declare those experiences as being ignorant and > > > > unevolved. > > > > > > > > I know a contradictory attitude towards enlightenment is that anyone > > > > can become enlightened at anytime, it's just a matter of removing the > > > > ego from the driver's seat of our consciousness. Again, Sun is the ego, > > > > and Saturn/Rahu/Ketu are what prevents it from being in control. So > > > > essentially, whether someone will be able to let go of their ego is not > > > > something determined by their decisions or their will power, which is > > > > egotistic in the first place. It's almost like baking a recipe. You > > > > either have enough of a certain substance to counteract another > > > > substance, or you don't. In the same way, a person either has or hasn't > > > > lived enough lives to acquire the qualities of the Anti-ego planets > > > > (specifically Saturn) in order to let go of the ego, or they haven't. > > > > If they haven't, then no amount of time spent focusing on enlightenment > > > > will yield enlightenment. It would be like someone who can't even run a > > > > mile without stopping trying to compete for the world > > > > heavyweight title in boxing; they would get their ass kicked every time. > > > > > > > > seekliberation > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thought I would offer this for purposes of discussion. These are my > > > > > own beliefs at this time: > > > > > > > > > > From the teachings or musings if you will of people like Eckhart > > > > > Tolle and Anita Moorjani, Adyashanti one has to believe that the > > > > > whole thing > > > > > about enlightenment and the whole schtick that goes with it is > > > > > complete made up > > > > > bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > Some meditation teachers like to teach that enlightenment is > > > > > something that is achievable in this lifetime, but in truth it is > > > > > already here, > > > > > covered over by egoic perception. Maharishi was particularly prone to > > > > > promulgate this idea that enlightenment was something to precious and > > > > > rare that > > > > > needed to be pursued, to be chased, and he and teachers like him do > > > > > that to be > > > > > able to get more people to buy their nosturms. > > > > > > > > > > But evidently what we have called ââ∠> > > > > "enlightenmentâââ¬ï¿½ is our > > > > > natural state must by virtue of being, just by being. You > > > > > donâââ‰â¢t have to go > > > > > anywhere or do anything to become this ââ∠> > > > > "stateâââ¬ï¿½ of awareness or being, but just > > > > > be. It must mean that meditation and seeking will never lead to the > > > > > experience of > > > > > enlightenment, and when most people talk about their enlightenment > > > > > they are > > > > > referring to a fluctuating experience of consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > This to me also means that the old Hindu stuff about having > > > > > to spend countless lifetimes as plants, bugs, animals and so forth > > > > > until you ââ∠"meritâââ¬ï¿½ > > > > > a human body is also complete made up bullshit. Why would the Infinite > > > > > Magnificence, the Unlimited Love that we are choose to do that? I > > > > > canâââ‰â¢t think > > > > > of a reason. > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts folks? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
