--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
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> I have found over the years from talking to people who are really into
TM, especially those I knew and still know in Fairfield, most of the
really good feelings/memories of their time in TM (that they associate
with TM) are actually good feelings /memories of their friends and
shared experiences not necessarily connected to TM.
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> From: Susan
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 5:24 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] About Gandhi (Re: Light therapy with gems
in Maharishi Ayurveda)
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote:
> > >
> > > Edge you are an incredible writer, and have an interesting
> > > story to tell as well. Pulling yousrelf roots and all out
> > > of Ffld - how excruciating to lose the community and
> > > connections you had developed over all those years. You
> > > were known there. So, like any human, you looked for
> > > another, something, anything. Once we had all been thru
> > > TTC and the tight community of that experience, nothing
> > > else compared. It is so special and comforting and I think
> > > what humans are wired to have. Maybe not centered around
> > > a guru, but a culture and community that we just don't find
> > > in this current type of life. We can work really hard to
> > > build it, but it won't compare to TCC and those days in Ffld.
> >
> > With all due respect to both your opinion and Edg's,
> > Susan, I think you are repeating the cult programming
> > that we were all fed for so long. Do you not remember
> > the times when we were told how BAD it would be if we
> > were to "stray from the 'highest path,'" and the
> > terrible, terrible thing that would happen to us if
> > we did? Do you not remember all the stories that those
> > still in the cult would gather around and warm their
> > hands over, talking almost gleefully about the horrible
> > things that had happened (mythically, and almost never
> > in real life) to those who walked away? I do.
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> > When I walked away from the TMO, it was with a sense of
> > *relief*, not regret. I have never had a moment's regret
> > in the many years since.
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> > Admittedly, I did not stick around long enough to get
> > enmeshed in the cult mindset of Fairfield, and having
> > one's entire identity become intertwined with the group
> > delusion and group identity, but I understand how powerful
> > that can be, and the levels of fear that some people can
> > develop about ever leaving that protective -- but
> > restrictive -- womb. But it was *always* a lie, one IMO
> > with a singular intent. That is, to keep people "on the
> > hook," and On The Program, contributing their money on a
> > regular basis to any half-assed project paraded before
> > them as "worthy."
> >
> > If I may suggest it -- not wishing to be mean or anything,
> > just telling it like it is -- if you feel that those days
> > that you spent on TM TTC or while in the throes of True
> > Believerism were something you can't or won't ever find
> > anything to compare with, you just haven't been out much.
> > The world is FULL of more wonderful experiences than those,
> > and with a much lower pricetag, or free.
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> The type of community thing I was talking about needing is not the TM
or cult thing at all, but just the sense of belonging and being known
over a long period of time and sharing cultural values with a group,
again over a long time. Just psychologically, I think humans are
programmed to live like this. You know, sitting around the village
campfire in the evening, telling stories, knowing the same people over a
lifetime (have you read Laurens Vander Post's A Story Like the Wind?).
It has its down side, for sure - especially for members who are
different, want to see more, just don't fit in. But for average folk, I
do think this community is good for one's well-being.
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> I might be speaking from my own needs here, since my father was
transferred by his corporation several times as I was growing up. I
adjusted every time but the last one (high school). The place I loved
the most was the summer place we vacationed each summer since I had
friends and families there over many years as I grew up. NOw I hate
moving around. As I recall, you moved a lot too. Wasn't your father in
the Air Force? And yet you seen to thrive in moving.
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> So the whole TM TTC and going to ATR courses met a need in me, gave me
a community. I think the belief system was secondary, but who knows.
My point was that this same feeling and need is normal and that in these
modern times, it is not easy or automatic to get. Some real effort and
time need to be invested. For me, the TM community was a good thing on
many levels. You could tease apart the aspects that were not healthy,
but I think some recent research is showing that people involved in a
church are healthier. Could it be the belief itself, or the belonging
to a community that is the key?
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> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Somehow with Yahoo not performing well, I missed this post too
Edg -
> > > >
> > > > Ã A very telling story and I appreciate your sharing it -
> > > >
> > > > there are die-hards all over who still identify themselves with
an "enlightened" man and an oh so special Movement that is "saving the
world" - even with
> > > > all the stories and blatant evidence that Maha was the most
successful con artist in the 20th Century and the fact that the Movement
has never delivered on a single one of its promises they still cling to
the idea that its all true - this is because if they admit M was not
enlightened and that TM and alllllll the TM money
> > > > making programs are just that, designed to make money for the
Movement and the Srivastavas boys, they would then have to look inside
and begin to figure out who they themselves are, rather than making
their personal identity a little
> > > > Maharishi and a world saver.
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Buck
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 7:37 AM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] About Gandhi (Re: Light therapy with
gems in Maharishi Ayurveda)
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> > > > Ã
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> > > > Duv, I missed this one [2009]. This is one of those eye-witness
posts that ought to go in the 'Indx'. Thanks for the context. -Buck
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote:
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> > > > > Boo,
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey, I've got most of the story for you.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was running the Napa, Ca center when things got out of hand.
This
> > > > > jyotishi, Gandhi, was giving readings in the Sacramento area
and was
> > > > > very popular. Why? Because he was promoted as Maharishi's
astrologer,
> > > > > and that Ghandi had been given a mission-permission FROM
MAHARISHI to
> > > > > do this service.
> > > > >
> > > > > God-Conscious Judy Robinson was one of the marketers (working
for
> > > > > commission?) who attested to Gandhi's status, so it all seemed
valid
> > > > > since she was at the top of her marketing oomph then and
commonly
> > > > > thought to be a high profile and true devotee of Maharishi.
And she
> > > > > got some fees out of me doing her own junior version readings
while we
> > > > > waited for a spot in Gandhi's schedule to open up. She pushed
> > > > > homeopathics, read your previous incarnations, sold beads,
etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, I went to Gandhi, paid my $60 (1973 dollars) and got his
> > > > > reading. He was marketing gems, and also slabs of silver with
yantras
> > > > > on them, and other what-nots. The gems were "the nine vedic
gems" --
> > > > > something like that. And they were mounted in various settings
that
> > > > > let the light go through them so's to get to the skin, natch.
Costs
> > > > > were about $125 for, say, a Christian cross with the gems
mounted on
> > > > > it, but the quality of the gems was for shit even to the naked
eye,
> > > > > but THEY'D BEEN BLESSED BY GANDHI donchaknow.
> > > > >
> > > > > And so, many of the initiators were making this guy into their
"more
> > > > > accessible guru," and it began to stink, because Gandhi was
telling
> > > > > folks (me for instance) that "if there was a problem, then,
don't
> > > > > bother Maharishi with it, pray to me instead." Yep, pray to
him for
> > > > > favors.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's when I backed off the guy. It was easy cuz I was sold
out to
> > > > > Maharishi, and, those fucking yantras were clunky, ugly, and a
big
> > > > > chore to haul around and keep on your person. Plus, living in
the
> > > > > center and driving a $200 car, where was I going to get the
bucks to
> > > > > keep seeing this guy? So, tapped out, distraught by the
prayer
> > > > > request, I was finished with the guy, but not-so for most
others.
> > > > >
> > > > > The pot finally boiled over cuz new meditators were being
shunted to
> > > > > Gandi by the initiators in the Sacramento center, and I guess
> > > > > Maharishi finally heard about it, and a "call from Maharishi
to the
> > > > > Sacramento Center" was arranged.
> > > > >
> > > > > On the phone call, (I was told about it only) at some point
Maharishi
> > > > > got fed up with whomever was defending Gandhi, and said,
(something
> > > > > like) "Those who would go with Gandhi can go to hell."
Whatever else
> > > > > he said, don't know, but the bottom line was "you're all fired
if I
> > > > > hear even another titch about this fucker who's STEALING MY
MONEY."
> > > > >
> > > > > It was the first time for me to have ever heard Maharishi
swear, so it
> > > > > was a doozy for me.
> > > > >
> > > > > And, yeah, like SSRS, Andy Rymer, et al, Gandhi was a rustler
grabbing
> > > > > the livestock.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maharishi could have done us a solid when the rustlers hit FF
and
> > > > > started rebranding us. Should have called us in the dome and
told us
> > > > > to tar and feather these outlaws -- something like that. But,
SSRS
> > > > > never had "an alert" about him, nor did I ever hear any MUM
official
> > > > > naming him specifically as an outlander. Pete, can you tell
us how
> > > > > SSRS' group was politically handled in his early days in FF?
> > > > >
> > > > > I believe a few initiators left and became Gandhi's devotees,
but
> > > > > after the call, that was it, and until Maharishi introduced
the
> > > > > siddhis and the AV stuff, we initiators were all back to
doing, get
> > > > > this, 20 mins twice a day and SCI courses -- just like
ordinary
> > > > > meditators -- the shame of it, eh? Remember back then when
even
> > > > > initiators were not openly told to do more than 20 X 2? But
every
> > > > > initiator I knew as doing at least an hour twice a day and
feeling
> > > > > spiritually naughty.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, now I've got the gems etc. in a junk drawer somewhere --
pack rat
> > > > > here.
> > > > >
> > > > > Considering that Gandhi had but little charisma for me
personally, I
> > > > > should have gone with him and dumped Maharishi. Why? Cuz I
would have
> > > > > gotten done with Gandhi in fairly short order methinks,
whereas the
> > > > > true master of the scam kept me pumping coinage into his
pocket for
> > > > > another 25 years. Think of the money, time and angst I could
have
> > > > > saved myself.
> > > > >
> > > > > And, then, when my faith-bubble in TM finally burst, on
exiting the
> > > > > TMO, what did I do?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yep, I went to about a dozen more seers, readers, jyotishis,
healers,
> > > > > psychics, and got all my alien implants removed, got my
unlucky
> > > > > numbers to avoid, got my suggested list of yaygas to have
done, got a
> > > > > Philippine doctor to take bloody raw clumps of meat out of my
body,
> > > > > got some minister from the Sanctuary of the Om to whisper
sounds into
> > > > > my ear, got some psychic nurse to scan my family for cancer,
(she
> > > > > missed: my son had cancer during the time of seeing her, but
all she
> > > > > did was tell us that we needed to eat red meat,) and then toss
in your
> > > > > assorted Reiki treatments, chiropractic treatments from FF's
> > > > > enlightened docs who charged $45 a treatment instead of the
going rate
> > > > > of $20 everywhere else, and, oh, my face is too red to
continue this
> > > > > listing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Spent about $12,000 doing this "exit plan." That was my
patterns --
> > > > > that had been honed and wired by me investing in the TMO --
refusing
> > > > > to give up the identification I'd pumped into them, ya see?
So many
> > > > > mystic urges had to be separately extinguished by having each
one used
> > > > > until clarity dawned and the ruse was revealed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Am I free? Phihhh, that's the lesson, see? One is never free
if one
> > > > > is investing identification into ANYTHING.
> > > > >
> > > > > As long as you're splashing sentience everywhere like it was
coming
> > > > > out of a fire hose, well, any charlatan can figure a way under
your
> > > > > radar, and blammo, you're back to paying someone to make shit
up about
> > > > > you.
> > > > >
> > > > > It cost so much. I paid so much.
> > > > >
> > > > > The time, the money, the failed investments, the shame, the
pain of
> > > > > the pulling myself roots-and-all out of the FF community where
I knew
> > > > > a thousand people by name and face, the cost, the cost.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yet, who will take the least advice about this from me?
> > > > >
> > > > > That's the tell, ya see? We're all winging it and intuitively
know
> > > > > that there are no real experts about what goes on inside one's
robot.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gotta laugh. Consider this:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm sorta like the guy who's entered 30 spelling bees and
gotten
> > > > > tossed on the first word every time -- so who's going to come
to me
> > > > > for spelling advice even with such a deep involvement in
spelling bees?
> > > > >
> > > > > Fuck, I'm not even an expert on how to be a loser.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone got a spare Xanax?
> > > > >
> > > > > Edg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "boo_lives" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "guyfawkes91"
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On tonight's (MON Feb 2nd) Global Family Chat on the
Maharishi
> > > > > > > > Channel, they talked about the new light/gem therapy in
Maharishi
> > > > > > > > Ayurveda (the first line of Rig Veda says that agni/fire
is the
> > > > > > > > source of gems, gems are described in the Vedas as the
"Radiance of
> > > > > > > > God" -- Charaka Samhita says gems are second in
treatment value
> > > > > only
> > > > > > > > to mantras, and gems are ahead of herbal treatments).
They use some
> > > > > > > > sort of light (frequency depends on the gem involved,
amethyst,
> > > > > > > > emerald, etc -- seven types of gems used all told) in a
flashlight-
> > > > > > > > type device which shines light through 12 gems set in
gold. The
> > > > > light
> > > > > > > > is flashed on the palm of the hand (some of the photos
in newspaper
> > > > > > > > articles show people getting the light beam on the
forehead even
> > > > > > > > though the Raj people only talked about palm
application), and
> > > > > people
> > > > > > > > are reporting good experiences (some expansion of
consciousness,
> > > > > > > > healing of injured area, etc) in the 300 treatments at
the Raj to
> > > > > > > > date. The light is supposed to act on the "light body"
of the
> > > > > > > > recipient, and although there are side effects like
healing, it's
> > > > > > > > basically designed to remove obstacles to enlightenment
values more
> > > > > > > > than just wearing gems, with the goal of letting
celestial light
> > > > > fill
> > > > > > > > the body. In Switzerland all the HMOs pay for this
therapy up to
> > > > > 80%
> > > > > > > > of the cost of treatment. Ayurveda recipes including
powdered gems
> > > > > > > > are legal in Germany, but not yet legal in the USA.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "There is no inside or outside. The same light inside,
the same
> > > > > light
> > > > > > > > outside."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fucking hell it'll be Reiki healing next. Whenever you
think the TMO
> > > > > > > has hit rock bottom you hear knocking from underneath the
floor.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Back in the late 70s MMY heard about some initiators who
were into
> > > > > > healing via gems, in CA I think, George Ellis of the prison
project
> > > > > > had some role in it I remember, and MMY called them on the
phone and
> > > > > > said something to the effect that their gems healing would
lead them
> > > > > > to hell. His pt, which was the main pt of the tmo then, was
that
> > > > > > simple meditation was all you needed and all you should do.
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