--- In [email protected], "salyavin808" wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" wrote: > > > > Hey, PaliGap, nice to see you here again. > > > > --- In [email protected], "PaliGap" wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" wrote: > > (snip> > > > > I remember when I first started to hop, after a couple > > > > days. I had found myself bouncing--involuntarily--without > > > > getting off the foam. After awhile, I let go of something > > > > somehow mentally, and then I immediately began to hop. "Let > > > > 'er rip" describes it, but I don't know whether that's the > > > > same as what you experienced. It's as if I had not been > > > > letting the sutra do its job, rather than that I had > > > > started voluntarily to push myself up off the foam. > > > > > > > > Experience does vary from individual to individual, and > > > > it's impossible to know what it's like for anybody else. > > > > > > I don't think I am a 'TB'. On the other hand the facts is the > > > facts. I find it hard to 'explain away'. Believe me - I've > > > tried (though coward-like I remain agnostic). > > > > Me too. The various theories that have been proposed to > > explain it away, it seems to me, raise as many questions > > as they answer. *Something* unusual is going on > > neurophysiologically. > > > > The only indication I have that it has anything to do with > > levitation, however, is that on a couple of occasions for > > a split-second at the apex of a hop, I've suddenly "known" > > that staying up in the air would be perfectly natural--in > > the same way I know I'm going to come right down again > > on all other occasions. > > Just as it did on that occasion.
Exactly. I made that quite clear: > > But of course that goes away virtually instantaneously. > > You wouldn't be able to capture any in-air hesitation with > > any kind of measuring instrument or camera. > The feeling might go away instantaneously but to an observer > you never shifted from the parabolic curve you started when > you lifted off. (You don't mean "but" here, you mean "and.") Exactly. Nor could you capture any shift *with any kind of measuring instrument or camera*--as I just got done saying. > So it doesn't really matter how you "feel" when > jumping in the air, As I said, the "feeling" I had those few times was no different than the "feeling" that I was going to come down all the other times: in both cases it was a *certainty*, a "knowingness," not just a feeling. > all that matters from a is "levitation > possible" viewpoint is whether you stay there or not. Exactly. Where did I say otherwise? > And of *course* a slo-mo camera would capture any mid air > hesitation, if there was any. Exactly. That's why I said (see above) no camera (or any kind of measuring instrument) would capture any hesitation. There's a lesson for you in this, salyavin. Once again, your own preconceptions got in the way of understanding what I wrote, and once again it's made you look a fool. But you know what? Your thinking is so inflexible, you'll never learn that lesson. (snip) > It's like driving a car somewhere and when you arrive you > realise you can't remember the journey. The body is easily > capable of doing familiar routines without conscious input so > your mind can wander off and do other stuff. Couple that with > an altered state of consciousness and the strong expectation > of actual flight and we can believe anything that happens is > more than what it is. Except that I had no expectation of actual flight, first; second, I had the experience I described only two or three times out of many thousands of hops; and third, I have no belief that the experience was anything more than what I described. > Any casual observer will tell you the truth of it. The casual observer has no way of knowing what was going on in my head. I have no explanation for what I experienced. I mentioned it only to point out that it was the *only* experience I ever had while hopping that hopping had anything at all to do with levitation. It came as a complete surprise when it happened, and it obviously bore no relationship to what my body was doing. Hopping itself, for me, had the unusual quality of being involuntary. I can't explain that either. What it didn't have was any physical manifestation of levitation.
