--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation" <seekliberation@...> wrote: > > I wouldn't go as far as saying that creation doesn't > require the 'existence' of God, but more so it doesn't > require an intricate belief system full of moral > guidelines based on our perception of what God could, > should, or would be. Creation exists regardless of what > belief system we have or don't have. It is automatic, > no beliefs required for it to exist.
I would agree that the major drawback of believing in a God is the baggage that accompanies it, in terms of human-invented "moral" guidelines. But technically, the only reason a God even *could* be considered nec- essary in creation is if one assumes that there was a Creation, meaning that at one point it did not exist and then was "created." I don't believe that to be the case, and feel instead that there has never been a time when creation didn't exist. It is eternal, ever-renewing and everpresent. Sure, whole galaxies or universes may contract, disappear, and reappear from time to time, but that's nothing more than the breathing of a larger cosmos -- breathe out, and you've got a universe; breathe in, and it goes poof! At every moment all aspects of creation -- abstract or manifest -- were still present. I liked this guy's rap because it wasn't all "in your face" like some of the hard-line atheists out there. I liked that his "conversion" away from the AA-demanded "belief in a higher power" was instigated by conversations with a Buddhist who didn't have any need for a God, either, while still being arguably spiritual. And I like that he managed to find his way in an organization (AA) that is pretty damned fundamentalist in its way. As it says on the FFL home page, he managed to take what he needed and leave the rest. Good for him. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > A guy climbs to a mountaintop, looks out at the beauty > > of creation, and realizes that none of it required the > > existence of a God. > > > > http://www.salon.com/2013/03/03/my_sober_conversion_to_atheism_partner/ > > >
