Ah, Xeno, thank you for this. I see you're still on a roll. Ok, in terms of laws of nature, forget YFers for the nonce. Think about those fire walking dufuses (dufusi ?) who don't even get blisters. Would you say they are more or less in accord with the laws of nature governing fire and human skin? I'd say they are more in accord with those laws. Or maybe they are operating from the level of some laws that have a wider range of influence. Or maybe it is just as you say, a redistribution of the functioning of the existing laws of nature. But really, Xeno, what does redistribution mean in this context?!
About some one walking into a door, I think you'd have to know what their purpose was before ascertaining what laws were governing the event. IOW, it might not be just laws of physics and neurology etc. that were determining the event. What if their nose as if dissolved into the door so that there was no pain, no bruise, etc? I had an experience once where it felt like my head dissolved into the wall I was leaning it against! Jeez! Which 2 laws of nature would I choose to be out of accord with?! The ones that come to mind are pretty wide reaching in influence. Ok, a cop out: which 2 would you choose? ________________________________ From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius <anartax...@yahoo.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 12:57 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think..... Regarding the phrase 'all the laws of nature'; while in science we have various equations and hypotheses that we think correspond to the way nature functions, I have never heard within the movement any meaningful discussion of what the specific laws of nature are, in the spiritual sense, that make up 'all the laws of nature'. What are those laws? From the view point of physics, we seem to have certain regularities in nature we call laws, and everything seems to run according to them. There is also a random element observed on the quantum mechanical level. It would seem the universe runs according to all the laws of nature that we think we know about, and it is a reasonable hypothesis that it runs according to all possible laws. If there are other laws that we are somehow out of accord with, what are they? Can anybody name some of them, and describe the mechanisms by which they function and tell us how we can observe how we are in accord or out of accord with them? For example if someone walks into a door and bruises their nose and experiences a lot of pain, this can reasonably be explained by the laws of physics, and less precise subsets of physics such as chemistry, biology and neurology to the extent we know them; the laws of physics provided the environment for this situation and its happening. Being in accord with the laws of nature as a spiritual phenomenon seem more psychological: 'I feel bad; I want to feel better; what do I do to feel better? That is, the desire to end psychological suffering. Why does that have anything to do with coming into accord with laws? How is becoming less of a dufus, learning to be less inept, anything more than a redistribution of the functioning of the existing laws of nature? Suppose, hypothetically, a mythological entity of great and surpassing power came to you and told you that you could live in accord with the spiritual laws of nature immediately by its fiat, except for two of those laws, and you would have to choose two of those laws with which you would not be in accord, but it would be up to you to choose which, and it would be up to you alone to come into accord with those laws by whatever means you could muster. So which two would you choose? What would they be? How would you even know what those laws might be?
