Thank you, and your compliments would have been perfect, except for all the name calling.;-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Excellent. Barry is doing the only thing he can do - pretend > > non-attachment, and liberation. He has been at the seeker game too long, > > and too publicly, to still be having few or no encouraging experiences > > during spiritual practices, certainly nothing of any lasting value. > > > > So he fakes it. He doesn't want to expose his limp dick during social > > intercourse, so he fakes it. Its pretty funny watching an ego fake its > > liberation, and sad too. Very much the seal trying for a quick 100 yd. > > dash. Very strange these people who would rather turn their lives into a > > dead smiling hell, than face themselves, and their failures. > > > > It is a strategy used by young souls - this playing pretend, this wasting > > time in life, as other than yourself, faking it. For the rest of us, life > > is too precious to be unreal. Even when it hurts like the devil. I wouldn't > > hesitate to be in pain, if the alternative is being dead inside - all > > locked up in a spinning mind, the sly spider catching himself in his own > > web, then announcing to the rest of us, "Gotcha!". > > > > I'd rather stare life in the face, with the worst it has to offer, than don > > a cloak of emotional death, and fake it. Barry's clear choice (and his > > sidekick's too), and dead easy to spot. > > Nice metaphors in the above dumbass. Leave out all the name calling and it's > a very nice piece of writing indeed. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <awoelflebater@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen" <maskedzebra@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. > > > > > > Curtis, Barry does not like anyone who disagrees with him. His criteria > > > for liking or not liking someone are very transparent and quite simple. > > > They include more than the one I just mentioned, but ultimately he > > > dislikes personal challenge coming from others. If that challenge takes > > > the form of anything resembling a different viewpoint or one that makes > > > him have to question his very rigid beliefs or one that requires him to > > > retract, apologize or question his position he will take that as a > > > personal attack or as a sign of boringness, cuntness, small mindedness or > > > stupidity on the part of that person. > > > > > > > He is not open to being vulnerable to people who he does not like. > > > > > > Barry is never vulnerable on this forum. Ever. > > > > > > > Sometimes this is people who attack him, but not always. He didn't > > > > like you right off. So you only see the version of Barry that applies > > > > to you, a person he does not respect. > > > > > > Barry doesn't begin to have the tools to "deal" with Robin. He is so far > > > out of his depth, his comfort zone his perception of what is unknown or > > > possible that to actually interact on even the most superficial level > > > with Robin would require something Barry simply does not possess or > > > refuses to acknowledge. It is kind of like asking a seal to run the 100m > > > dash in 10 seconds on dry land. Not possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BW, then, does not allow the reader, either consciously or > > > > > unconsciously, to derive any experience of what kind of experience BW > > > > > must be having as he so slovenly and insincerely (the latter is quite > > > > > subtle and can easily be missed) argues for his position.> > > > > > > > > The digs aside (slovenly? insincerely?) I don't believe he sees any > > > > reason to share anything with people he does not like or respect. > > > > > > This excuse of "respect" is not about that at all. That is a convenient > > > but erroneous description of what is really going on. It isn't about what > > > Barry feels about the other person it is what the other person makes > > > Barry feel about himself and THAT is what Barry dislikes. When he is made > > > to feel inadequate he will point his finger at the other person and claim > > > they are to blame; they are too boring or stupid or dogmatic. He will > > > never take responsibility for himself and the reasons he feels the way he > > > does. It will always be about the other guy. > > > > > > >He just calls it as he sees it and moves on. His blasts are not an > > > >opening for a dialogue, they are just projections of his POV, more > > > >writing exercise than conversation. > > > > > > Exactly. > > > > > > > > If you look at the list of people who have received such attention they > > > > often have some similar traits that Barry is outspoken about not > > > > respecting or liking. I have a very good idea of his POV from his > > > > pieces contrary to your perspective. If a new poster showed up here > > > > today I could probably predict with good accuracy how Barry would react > > > > to them. It was easy to predict that you were not gunna be friends. > > > > > > Yes, I will give you that. Barry IS predictable. Ridiculously so. This is > > > a man who lives in a world that is bound and known and very limited. He > > > can only venture so far with a person - new acquaintance or old. When he > > > hits the property line, where the boundaries end, he stops dead. And > > > those boundaries are those determined by his own limitations of self. > > > > > > > > So your statements probably do apply to you. You may not have the > > > > ability to see where he is coming from and he seems hidden from you. > > > > > > I don't think so Curtis. Many people have pretty good ideas of how Barry > > > functions but Robin's today took the proverbial cake; it was far and away > > > the most sophisticated reading of the man and one that you might have a > > > chance of comprehending but Barry never will for, if he could, it would > > > disprove what Robin wrote and what I have just said. Not that we said or > > > are saying the same thing. > > > > > > >Do you see Judy as any more vulnerable and interested in really > > > >interacting with a person when she is doing her Judy thing? Are you or > > > >me for that matter? Once we size someone up as not being worth the > > > >trouble, or that they are openly hostile toward us, we all shut down the > > > >two way conversation and might say something with no intention to be > > > >open to that person. > > > > > > You can't generalize like this. I, for one, am always open to reading > > > someone's post for what new tone or attitude might emerge. I have ideas > > > about what people are like here but I am happy to be surprised and > > > welcome that surprise when it occurs. I am as open to Barry as I am to > > > anyone here and have commented positively about some of his posts. You > > > simply can not clump everyone here as operating from the same origin of > > > perception. > > > > > > > > I see him just fine. And with me it is a two way street of giving each > > > > other space to express our opinions even if we differ. > > > > > > But you never do differ. You both seem to agree to agree. > > > > > > > So we get along based on liking each other and trusting that the other > > > person is not gunna send out some version of what you just wrote. I've > > > received enough of them myself from you to know that me writing this is > > > not going to enter your consciousness beyond your reflexive attack mode. > > > > > > > > > > > Or you can prove me wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <feste37@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <feste37@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember talking to one woman whose boyfriend took > > > > > > > > > a Sterling course in Fairfield. She said that before > > > > > > > > > the course he was a perfectly normal, pleasant guy, > > > > > > > > > but after the course he became a complete asshole. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Color me not surprised. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like men need TRAINING to be assholes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, in your case, no. Obviously. It comes naturally to > > > > > > > you. But it seems that others have to work on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be doing just fine without the training. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Seriously dude, are you still smarting because I called > > > > > > you on acting like a cultist? You were. You still are. > > > > > > You didn't challenge anything I said, you didn't explain > > > > > > WHY you felt the need to deliver an insult, you just > > > > > > played "Shoot the messenger." How cultist can one get? > > > > > > Just sayin'... > > > > > > > > > > > > If you disagree with something I said, try explaining > > > > > > WHY, or try dealing with the content you disagreed with, > > > > > > or do something more like a...dare I say it?...man would > > > > > > do. Just slinging insults as if you were still carrying > > > > > > a grudge over something that real men would have gotten > > > > > > over within five minutes and wouldn't remember after ten > > > > > > minutes is not really working well for you. IMO, of course. > > > > > > > > > > Here is BW's secret. Whereas almost everyone else when expressing a > > > > > strong opinion about a controversial topic reveals their personal and > > > > > subjective experience of themselves when they do this--even if that > > > > > person (and even the reader) is unaware of this fact,--BW eliminates > > > > > any concern--this is mathematical--about himself (whether what he is > > > > > saying he really believes, how he experiences his relationship to > > > > > what is true, how successful he envisages he will be when others read > > > > > what he has written). BW plays against all these forces. He knows he > > > > > will outrage and offend persons: he lines up on this contingency and > > > > > makes sure that as he writes his main focus is on stimulating the > > > > > frustration and disapproval in those readers who will be a victim of > > > > > this singular method of provocation. > > > > > > > > > > BW, then, does not allow the reader, either consciously or > > > > > unconsciously, to derive any experience of what kind of experience BW > > > > > must be having as he so slovenly and insincerely (the latter is quite > > > > > subtle and can easily be missed) argues for his position. But note: > > > > > BW cannot really have any investment in or commitment to anything he > > > > > says by way of controversy. And why is this? Because he excludes from > > > > > his experience in the act of writing any possible feedback he might > > > > > get from himself as he writes into reality and the consciousness of > > > > > other persons. > > > > > > > > > > If you examine your experience of reading one of BW's intensely > > > > > opinionated posts you will realize that BW is making himself immune > > > > > to your very deepest response to what he is saying. You are put in a > > > > > kind of psychological and intellectual vacuum as you sense that BW > > > > > not only will ignore your experience--and possible response--but that > > > > > he is actually acutely aware of this very phenomenon: that he can be > > > > > heedless of any responsibility to truth--to his sense of truth, to > > > > > the reader's sense of truth. This becomes the context out of which he > > > > > writes: to generate an unnoticed vulnerability in the reader as he > > > > > [BW] writes out his opinion but anaesthetizes himself in the very > > > > > execution of this act such that only you are feeling and experiencing > > > > > anything at all. For BW makes sure he is feeling nothing. A zero. > > > > > > > > > > What this means is that BW deprives the reader of any subconscious > > > > > sense that BW is in any way responsible for being judged by both how > > > > > sincerely interested he is in doing justice to what he thinks the > > > > > truth is, and by how much he cares about what the reader thinks about > > > > > how sincere he is. You see, BW plays against all this, and out of > > > > > this deliberate insulation from reality (reality here being the > > > > > experience of the reader reading BW's post; reality being the > > > > > experience of BW of himself as he writes his opinion of some > > > > > controversial issue; reality being what actual reality might think > > > > > about what he has written) BW creates a context which makes those > > > > > readers who are not predetermined to approve of BW (no matter what he > > > > > says) the perfect victim of BW's systematic and controlled mind game. > > > > > > > > > > BW relishes the fact that he knows that he has complete control over > > > > > his subjective experience of himself as he acts (action here > > > > > constituting his posts on FFL). In this sense: His subjectivity is > > > > > entirely in the service of producing the particular effect he is > > > > > seeking in those readers whom he knows are the innocent registrars of > > > > > their experience--this is, as I have stipulated, likely to be > > > > > unconscious or subconscious. For everyone else but BW has to bear the > > > > > consequences of their deeds as they enact them. Not BW. Not only does > > > > > he vaccinate himself against any feedback from others, but he > > > > > vaccinates himself against any feedback from himself. This means the > > > > > FFL reader experiences a strange kind of reality: A person who is > > > > > expressing a strong opinion who, when he does this, does not offer up > > > > > any evidence of what his own experience is of himself when he does > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > Thus deprives the reader of a constituent element in reading what > > > > > someone writes which that reader's unconscious has always assumed is > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > It is not, and this is the negative vertigo that is created in the > > > > > quasi-objective and impartial FFL reader. And it is why BW is able to > > > > > remain inside of himself as if he is the only person in the universe > > > > > and he has been posting only to himself. As if this were the case, > > > > > since he has removed himself from the context of 1. his own > > > > > self-experience 2. the experience of the reader 3. the interactive > > > > > fact of BW in relationship to reality and what abstractly even might > > > > > be the actual truth of the matter about which he is writing. > > > > > > > > > > BW's game goes unnoticed. But it is critic-proof. The more agitated > > > > > or scornful or ironic or commonsensical or reasonable someone is in > > > > > attempting to challenge what BW has written, to the extent to which > > > > > this represents a real intention inside the other person, is the > > > > > extent to which that intention--and the writing of a > > > > > counter-post--will end up in empty space--No one is there. > > > > > > > > > > BW has delighted himself by becoming dead to his own subjectivity. > > > > > His pleasure comes from the ineluctable consequence of this as it > > > > > affects other human beings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation" > > > > > > > > > <seekliberation@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ahhh, the whole sterling men's group cult that started back > > > > > > > > > > in the 90's. I remember that whole thing (I think it's > > > > > > > > > > still going). I ended up going to the 'weekend seminar' > > > > > > > > > > that is the basis of the whole group. It's actually > > > > > > > > > > valuable if you've been raised like a modern american male > > > > > > > > > > (irresponsible, immature, unable to transition from boyhood > > > > > > > > > > to manhood, etc...). The whole weekend is about a lot of > > > > > > > > > > things, but primarily what I got out of it is a view of how > > > > > > > > > > weak and pathetic men are becoming decade after decade in > > > > > > > > > > America. It was a kind of eye-opening experience for me, > > > > > > > > > > and i'm thankful for it. Othwerwise, I do believe I > > > > > > > > > > would've continued in life with a lot of perpetual > > > > > > > > > > abandonment of responsibility and growth that is often > > > > > > > > > > justified by modern American males to avoid altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, the whole sterling men's group turned into a 'cult > > > > > > > > > > within a cult'. Not only were the men from Fairfield > > > > > > > > > > mostly meditators, but now they're a part of another new > > > > > > > > > > 'paradigm-shifting' group. I found that a lot of the men > > > > > > > > > > in that group were doing a lot of superficial things that > > > > > > > > > > were just NOT a part of their character. It was usually to > > > > > > > > > > display some masculinity or manliness. There were so many > > > > > > > > > > of them that would all of a sudden try acting tough, though > > > > > > > > > > they never were tough their entire life. The intensity of > > > > > > > > > > their recruiting efforts was borderline psychotic. I > > > > > > > > > > honestly believe that only a sociopath could remain in that > > > > > > > > > > group without any serious conflict with others. Many men > > > > > > > > > > who were part of it eventually drifted away due to the same > > > > > > > > > > perceptions that I had of it. However, we all agreed it > > > > > > > > > > (the weekend seminar) changed our lives for the better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The funny part about it is that eventually the Head Honcho > > > > > > > > > > of all nationwide Sterling groups (Justin Sterling) made an > > > > > > > > > > executive decision to disband the group from Fairfield from > > > > > > > > > > being an official representation of the 'Sterling Men's > > > > > > > > > > Group'. I'm not sure why, but I think that the leader of > > > > > > > > > > the whole gig felt that something was seriously wrong with > > > > > > > > > > the men's group from Fairfield in comparison to other > > > > > > > > > > groups in the rest of the nation. He was probably right. > > > > > > > > > > A lot of these men were fanatics about TM, or some other > > > > > > > > > > form of spirituality or new-agism. And if you take someone > > > > > > > > > > like that and latch them onto another belief system, it's > > > > > > > > > > like the fanatacism goes through the roof. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All that being said, I do agree that the weekend has > > > > > > > > > > changed some people's lives, but I would strongly recommend > > > > > > > > > > avoiding the group activities that come afterward (unless > > > > > > > > > > you really enjoy it). It was a major pain in the ass when > > > > > > > > > > I announced to the group that I didn't want anything to do > > > > > > > > > > with them anymore. It's worse than trying to tell a > > > > > > > > > > military recruiter that you changed your > > > > > > > > > > mind�..literally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seekliberation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" > > > > > > > > > > <steve.sundur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am guessing that this is carry over from the "Mens" > > > > > > > > > > > movement thing > > > > > > > > > > > from some time ago. Was it Sterling, or something? I > > > > > > > > > > > guess I could > > > > > > > > > > > look it up. But I remember someone from Fairfield, put > > > > > > > > > > > one of my good > > > > > > > > > > > friends from here in St. Louis to recruit me, or invite > > > > > > > > > > > me to > > > > > > > > > > > participate or something. It was awkward for him, and it > > > > > > > > > > > was awkward > > > > > > > > > > > for me. But the Fairfield guy employed all the high > > > > > > > > > > > pressure tactics > > > > > > > > > > > you use to sell something. My friend and I were at my > > > > > > > > > > > house and the FF > > > > > > > > > > > guy was doing his thing on the phone. But then, as now, > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't care > > > > > > > > > > > to get recruited to a new group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And truthfully, I still have resentment for that guy for > > > > > > > > > > > his blatant > > > > > > > > > > > manipulation. He just wouldn't take no for an answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who knows, maybe I could have benefited from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
