Hey Ravi, no worries. Enjoy your imagined win. Just don't examine it too closely. It may not look so pretty close up.
<http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=cDN2b3zR\ 7uuVZM&tbnid=4nzSCOwmS1-WDM:&ved=0CAgQjRwwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.beyond\ theveil.net%2Fillusions.html&ei=uDB_UbigHqXiyAH_nIH4CA&psig=AFQjCNHM7F9d\ O95kzLkFSTq3AZJouvj-Mw&ust=1367376440533966> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > No need to get so mad at me Steve and call me names, all you had to say was you don't like Skewered Curtis and we would have not insisted. You can enjoy all the Merde du Mer you want OK? > > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 4:48 PM, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@... wrote: > > > We've been here many times before. After all the bombasity that Ravi thinks is going to throw you, or whoever he's jousting with, off course, it usually comes down to a simple question, which he is never able to answer. Or at least not answer without some remarkable revisionist spin. > > > > I guess, the best he's come up with this time, is that he's the pentultimate liberal, not afraid to admit that he is bigot, but willing to still love those he is predjudiced against. And Christ, it seems to have brought Raunchy to tears. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > > > > > So did you intend it to be a stand up joke routine or not Ravi, simple question. > > > > > > Name calling is not an answer or an effective cover up. You made the absurd claim, now which is it? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Well congratulations - it's official Curtis - you are genuinely, innocently, honestly retarded. LOL. > > > > > > > > Your primary defensive, offensive mechanism is your self-righteous spin which constantly protects your self-interest. > > > > > > > > You will not hesitate to pummel, pulverize, petrify truth with your malicious, devious self-righteous spin in your relentless defense of your perceived image, your self-interest and your POV. > > > > > > > > Bravo !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 10:37 AM, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Curtis - Now that I'm done expressing myself on this topic why don't you reiterate your demand to Judy, raunchy and Ann to challenge me here.> > > > > > > > > > > It wasn't a demand, it was an invitation. Predictably it was not taken. > > > > > > > > > > < Unlike you and Barry I would love to be challenged and corrected, though I may be running out of posts and have to get to it next week.> > > > > > > > > > > Well I haven't noticed that about you Ravi, you seem to fly off the handle pretty easily and start throwing the contents of your diaper. But you are in a protected class with them so you have nothing to worry about. (Hey what about those blacks, wink, wink.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Remember my other point which you ignore in your self-righteous spin - why are my posts not stand up routines and not fall under artists's freedom to be provocative and indulge in overt misogyny and racism if need be.> > > > > > > > > > > Because you set it up carefully as being serious. Are you claiming now that you were joking and doing schtick on Republican assholes who share the views in your overgeneralized statement? > > > > > > > > > > Humor that makes fun of racists is really hard to do, it requires a context to make sure the audience is in on the joke. > > > > > > > > > > You didn't set it up that way. > > > > > > > > > > Here is your "stand-up" routine as you presented it: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Emily - I love black culture, black people for their heart-centeredness - heck I loved 2Pac's dear mama, but since I don't suffer from any White guilt and burden, nor I am I trying to spin it for a yuppie audience I will say that most of the culture is very crude, misogynistic. Who doesn't love their mom's - I am sorry - but is that enough and then you let your partner fend for herself, forcing her to have multiple children for maximum food stamps while your deadbeat ass languishes in jail. It's terribly hard to be a black woman. Fine to be sexist, misogynistic as an artistic expression in music, movie for entertainment but surely not a prescription for a modern, liberal, sophisticated society. > > > > > > > > > > So who else believes that Ravi was doing schtick on racist viewpoints, making fun of THEM? Was the biggest laugh line supposed to be: "I will say that most of the culture is very crude, misogynistic." > > > > > > > > > > Let's see the honesty committee spin this one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I don't care if you call me a racist, I myself mock at my inner racist every day, laugh and mock my own mind's biases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conservatives wallow in their racism, liberal strive to rise above their inner racism to meet others with compassion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scream loud as you want at others being racist - I'm just going to laugh at your ignorant, sorry ass but when I meet you I will as always, despite my contempt and disgust, rise above my judgement to meet you with love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 2013, at 8:53 AM, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Curtis baby, > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Let me get this straight again. I totally understand your ignorant, self-righteous white-ass's inability to wrap this. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> I'm an equal opportunity racist - I have my biases, judgements on whites, Indians, Blacks, Hispanics, everyone including myself. I'm totally at peace with that, my senses constantly provide me data on every person - my mind filters through data, goes through set of my conditioning, my experiences and I have some readily available data at my disposal. This happens instantaneously Curtis baby and I understand its limitations. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Here's the kicker baby - here's where a person such as you would have trouble understanding, a person who I have utter contempt and disgust for, a person who shows an utter disregard for honesty and integrity, a person whose focus is his self-interest rather than serving the cause of truth, a person who is a victim of his entertainer, narcissistic self-interest, a person who cares for adoration rather than care for the truth. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> It is that I can override my mind's biases, my conditioning, my likes and dislikes, my fears, insecurities, anxieties if any, to be terribly open, vulnerable, accepting and loving to anyone I meet. And your sorry self-righteous white ass can never match it, not for this life time anyway. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> But an ignorant, idiot like you doesn't understand all the complexities, the sense of guilt, burden it creates, it's easy to cloak it with self-righteousness isn't it? Surprisingly Steve says he understands it - so you are a bigger idiot than I thought. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Get it Curtis baby? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Apr 29, 2013, at 6:28 AM, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > Damn you are not patient are you Curtis baby? You are sounding as desperate > > > > > > >>> > > and demanding attention as the bumbling retard Steve. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > Let me get this right - I, Curtis will go any lengths to defend artistic > > > > > > >>> > > expressions of gang rape, objectification and/or derogatory references to > > > > > > >>> > > women but will spin Ravi as a racist because he points to a culture of > > > > > > >>> > > dead-beat dads burdening women with kids and leaving them at the mercy of > > > > > > >>> > > federal assistance? > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > Curtis baby - I'm at peace with my mind's judgement biases i.e my inner > > > > > > >>> > > racism, it doesn't prevent me from calling it as I see it nor meeting > > > > > > >>> > > people I judge with empathy. I don't cloak my burdens and guilt into > > > > > > >>> > > self-righteousness while promoting an ol' boy, White Mid-Western clique. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > P.S This is a lot for your ignorant, burdened brain to fucking wrap around > > > > > > >>> > > - so don't bother. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > Ok as promised, a sample response with due respect to your disabilities - > > > > > > >>> > > which earlier were only limited to your honesty and integrity - now > > > > > > >>> > > seemingly extending to the intellectual realm as well. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > ----------- > > > > > > >>> > > Hi Ravi - yes I re-read Raunchy's post again - here are the most > > > > > > >>> > > objectionable part of the lyrics based upon your agreement of her post. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > "I'll tell you where I found her > > > > > > >>> > > Lying down in the pines > > > > > > >>> > > A gang of boys around her > > > > > > >>> > > Some was higgin it > > > > > > >>> > > Some was kissin it > > > > > > >>> > > Some was huggin it > > > > > > >>> > > Some was kneeling down > > > > > > >>> > > There more rascal hangin round > > > > > > >>> > > Try to tear my kingdom down" > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > I can see how this evokes strong images of gang-rape, the objectification > > > > > > >>> > > and derogatory references to women - in the form of gang of boys, the usage > > > > > > >>> > > of "it" to refer to his wife and "my kingdom" that shows his sense of > > > > > > >>> > > portraying his wife's sexual organs as his private property. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > I think I got defensive because of my attachment to my role as an > > > > > > >>> > > entertainer. I can now see that you are not questioning my right and > > > > > > >>> > > creative expression as an artist and an entertainer. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > The fact that my GF gave a positive interpretation perhaps shows the > > > > > > >>> > > forgiveness, the acceptance of women. And perhaps, sensing my initial > > > > > > >>> > > unease - she was trying to make me feel better. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > I can appreciate your perspective of the lyrics as gang-rape and as being > > > > > > >>> > > objectifying and degrading to women. I also know get a sense that you are > > > > > > >>> > > portraying the lyrics as being alien to modern culture and not condemning > > > > > > >>> > > my artistic expression. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > Sorry I got off an tangent by calling you racist and I suppose you are > > > > > > >>> > > entitled your opinions and judgement and call it as you see fit. We both > > > > > > >>> > > here agree that artists have a freedom to be provocative. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > Thank you - it was good a exchange and helps me understand where you were > > > > > > >>> > > coming from. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > Gee, Curtis, how'd you get to be so spin free? My washer's spin cycle had been getting an inferiority complex. Anyway, I'm glad Ravi's clear thinking has rubbed off on you. Sorry I flew off the handle projecting my biases against gang rape and misogyny onto the lyrics and misled Ravi into agreeing with me.> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> My issue with you was you suggestion that my take on the meaning of the song was somehow "self-serving" as if defending gang rape was my goal. It was right out of the raunchy shitty trick playbook so it was not unexpected, but I objected to it. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> You were spinning my interpretation of the meaning of the song as a statement about me as a person. Typical. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> < Apparently, he has difficulty thinking for himself.> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> Agreed. He is recycling phrases and words form a small group here for their approval and it has worked. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> But hey it reminds me of how black people are (now that we are talking straight with each other I don't have to water this down for the liberals) You know how black men force their women to have more babies so they can get food stamps which they somehow can use in prison? Well, I think it is about time we talked straight about how black people really are, don't you Raunchy? > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> (You are gunna find your future umbridge machine falling on some pretty deaf ears after this. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > So no Ann, it is not hypocritical to make fun of religious ideas and still be against racist remarks. They are not the same. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > Ahhh, but the agenda behind, the motivation, the hatred, the ignorance and the anger can be. Absolutely. And THAT is what I'm talkin' about. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> Geez, if only I had supported my allegations with a line by line analysis of the lyrics as you required of Ravi, maybe he wouldn't have gotten the brunt of your frustrations with me and your artistic sensibilities would have remained unscathed. My bad. So, now that everyone is friends again, it's all water under the bridge...isn't it? > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> You weren't interested in the song and how the lyrics support different interpretations. It was a tool for what you DO here. > > > > > > >>> And with your interest in poetry and words I found it disappointing. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 3:44 PM, curtisdeltablues < > > > > > > >>> > > curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > ** > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > That's what I thought, you have not text support for you idiotic > > > > > > >>> > > > accusations about the song. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > More tourettes trolling. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Hey let's get Judy to defend your position on black people's food stamp > > > > > > >>> > > > lov'n, baby making ways based on your ideas about creative evocative > > > > > > >>> > > > expressions. I'd like to know how it magically takes the racist views RIGHT > > > > > > >>> > > > off! > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Are you up for explaining Ravi's point Judy? He has already deferred to > > > > > > >>> > > > Raunchy on the song so maybe you can be his spokesperson for this: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Ravi being his adorable self, the l'll scamp! > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > < I will say that most of the culture is very crude, > > > > > > >>> > > > > misogynistic. Who doesn't love their mom's - I am sorry - but is that > > > > > > >>> > > > > enough and then you let your partner fend for herself, forcing her to > > > > > > >>> > > > have > > > > > > >>> > > > > multiple children for maximum food stamps while your deadbeat ass > > > > > > >>> > > > > languishes in jail. It's terribly hard to be a black woman.> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > I think it could use some of that much touted special brand of honesty you > > > > > > >>> > > > talk so much about. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
