On 9/13/05 7:33 AM, "TurquoiseB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Vaj, I like you, but I have to wonder whether you have
> actually ever *been* to a strip club.
Yes!
>
> Yes, it's sad that our society is so sexually biased
> that one of the only options women who don't want to
> work for low pay have open to them is stripping. But
> the *dynamic* in a strip club is exaclty the *opposite*
> of what you describe. *Any* "seer" with half an ounce
> of discrimination would be able to discern that immediately.
I guess that would depend what the seer "saw".
>
> The people being controlled and dominated and subjugated
> are the *men* around the stage. And *every* woman who
> works at one of these clubs knows it. Some actually get
> off on the level of control they have over the customers,
> playing with it.
Like I believe I conveyed, I think it depends on the situation in regards to
specifics. Could there be a club which actually used the work-situation to
enpower themselves? Yes, of course it could. Could it be used in a *sacred*
sense--yes absolutely it could, has been and is to this day.
Yet in our rape culture that is not always the case. I am not an expert in
the demographics of strip clubs so I can't claim much in numbers.
>
> Sit and *talk* with some of these women sometime. It
> might open your eyes to the possibility that this scene
> is not nearly as black-and-white as you think it is.
I don't see it as black and white. I do see patterns though in some of these
situations--and they are samsaric patterns. I am deliberately not saying
which ones as I believe people should come to their own conclusions.
I have to also tell you, I have seen this used in a sacred manor--but it was
not in strip clubs. ;-) ...after all, I am a Nath...I was initiated, as have
been innumerable Naths since the Treta, by a woman/Goddess and let's just
say "plainly dressed";-) A meeting of Naths in sacred space is almost always
(depending on circumstances) "clothing optional".
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