--- In [email protected], cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/14/05 6:29 PM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > And MMY has always presented himself as a renegade reformer. By > the > > > > way, those methods are from the jivanmuktiviveka, not Shankara > > himself, > > > > are they not? > > > > > > Well, no, really they are from Vidyaranya--the most respected > Shank. > > since > > > Adi Shankara. Personally I prefer later "Shankaracharyas" who are > less > > > Vaishnav and more tantric. In that respect Vidyaranya is the > > quintessence of > > > tantra, yoga and advaita. In many respects in appears Adi > Shankara > > was a > > > Vaishnava Cortez <cringe>. > > > > Regardless. The warnings I found were all of this sort: > > > > http://robgoodd.net/r_goodding.pdf > > > > Pata§jali gives this sÂtra: > > In enstasis they are obstacles; in coming out (from enstasis) > > (vyutthna) they > > are supernatural powers. [YS 3.38] > > > > > > Which isn't a warning per se, in the interpretation that MMY has > > presented of the Yoga Sutras. > > And furthermore, Vyaasa's bhaaSya seems to imply (or perhaps even > "exply") that the demonstrative pronoun 'te' (they) in 3.38 refers > only to the siddhis mentioned in the previous suutra: > > te **praatibhaadayaH** samaahita-cittasyotpadyamaanaa... > > At least that's how I would interpret the expression > 'praatibhaadayaH' (praatibhaa-aadayaH: praatibhaa [intuition], etc.) > > Well, of course it's possible that the nominative plural 'aadayaH' > refers to all the siddhis mentioned in vibhuuti-paada, because > for instance in Brahma-suutra 1.2 the word 'aadi' is in singular: > > janmaadyasya yataH (janma-aadi; asya; yataH) > > On the other hand, if we consider the literal meaning of > the expression "praatibhaadayaH", it's a bahuvriihi compound > meaning something like "praatibhaa-beginnings" thus referring > to a list (lists?),or stuff, that begins with the word 'praatibhaa'. > In English an analogous expression for, say, the days of the week > could be "Monday-beginning(s)", that is "Monday, Tuesday,...". > Thus, if "praatibhaadayaH" would refer to all the siddhis, one > would expect that "praatibhaa" would be the first siddhi mentioned, > which it IMO isn't.
We think it's also worth mentioning that King Bhoja in His commentary uses the expression te praak-pratipaaditaaH...(~those just mentioned...) when He refers to the siddhis that are "upasargaaH". So the suutra can hardly refer, in Bhoja's opinion, to Yffing, because YF-suutra comes AFTER the suutra in question. One is supposed to make a comment AFTER the stuff one wishes to comment upon! ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
