--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <LEnglish5@...> wrote: > > For what it is worth, the long-term EEG of TMers tends to be different than > that found in people practicing concentrative (generic mantra meditation, > such as the RR, compassion meditation, etc) or mindfulness practices. As > well, these two practices tend to suppress the parts of the brain thought to > be associated with sense of self, so on these measures, at least, TM and most > other forms of meditation have opposite effects. > > Perhaps on some more fundamental level, all meditation practices lead to the > same "place," and group meditation involving more than one school of > meditation will indeed be beneficial for all concerned, but based on the > theory that group meditation leads to synergy between practitioners, the > current physiological evidence suggests that TMers and practitioners of other > types of meditation aren't really going to reinforce any known aspect of > their respective practices by getting together and practicing in groups. > > L >
Om no that is not right. It is only part of the picture. They [the TM researchers] are not looking at the activation of the light body that happens in groups meditating. That is different than looking at alpha waves in the head. Atman man in the body. The heart. TM'ers left to themselves pretty obviously are cut off from their hearts in the mental field of their heads. A field effect value of group meditation facilitates ensoulment of the light body in the system. Science is only just getting around to seeing the heart subtle system that is the soul of the human spiritual life. It is an amazing thing to have a human life and sitting in group spiritual practice with other illumined people is very much part of the territory for spiritual life. Seek out good spiritual company and sit with it. Don't let silly things get in the way of your meditation, group meditation and your own evolution like the vile marketing of fear that TM is the only and best spiritual practice. Spiritual evolution is way more than just TM. Find a good group to meditate with where so ever you are. Best Regards, -Buck > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > Why shouldn't you strengthen your own vibrations through fellowship with > > people seeking Self-realization, and by group meditation with them? This > > practice will fortify your own spiritual convictions; you will find that > > many seemingly insuperable barriers in your life will crumble and dissolve > > in the waters of meditation. Your devotion and love for God [The Unified > > Field] will commingle with the devotion and love of others. Divine bliss > > will radiate from you, helping all persons you meet. [Meissner Effect]. > > > > �Paramahansa Yogananda > > > > > > > > > > > We become like the people we mingle with, not only through their > > > conversation, but through the silent magnetic vibration that emanates > > > from them. When we come into the range of their magnetism we are affected. > > > > > > �Paramahansa Yogananda > > > > > > > > > > > MJ, I would bet there are old style silent [what they call > > > > un-programmed] Quaker meetings to sit with near you in the South. They > > > > are group meditation founded by the law of invisible vibratory exchange > > > > of group magnetism as we would recognize now to be the spiritual > > > > Meissner Effect [ME] of meditating in groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group meetings to practice the techniques of meditation are vitally > > > > > important. Group meetings strengthen the individual Self-realization > > > > > that one has acquired in private at home. > > > > > > > > > > �Paramahansa Yogananda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >� > > > > > > > > Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in > > > > > > > > these >parts. > > > > > > > >Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a photo of the > > > > > > > > space bros making crop circles, but so far no luck. > > > > > > > >� > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well sadly, it is about proper values. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conservative meditator that I am, I should have these lost people > > > > > > at reading the discourses of Brahmananda Saraswati. Really MJ, > > > > > > these people's time should be so much better spent if only just > > > > > > sitting reading the discourses of Brahmananda Saraswati. Studying > > > > > > at: http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/ > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev [SBS], > > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great quote on group meditation, "the invisible vibratory > > > > > > > > exchange of group magnetism". Yes certainly, the spirituality > > > > > > > > of the Meissner Effect [ME] of meditation in group meditation > > > > > > > > practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Group meditation is a castle that protects the new spiritual > > > > > > > > > aspirants as > > > > > > > > well as the veteran meditators. Meditating together increases > > > > > > > > the degree of > > > > > > > > Self-realization of each member of the group by the law of > > > > > > > > invisible vibratory > > > > > > > > exchange of group magnetism." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ��"Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson > > > > > > > > > <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to admit that I did always find meditating in group > > > > > > > > > > more fulfilling somehow than singular meditation. Now that > > > > > > > > > > is meditation mind you, not TMSP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just meditating. That is a fair observation. I interview > > > > > > > > > folks in the larger TM meditating community here all the time > > > > > > > > > and also when I travel and i commonly find your sense about > > > > > > > > > meditating v TMSP. Most people here will say they are > > > > > > > > > meditators [TM] but don't do the TMSP when you ask about > > > > > > > > > their spiritual practice. An irony in the recent opening of > > > > > > > > > a movement meditation hall in downtown Fairfield is that they > > > > > > > > > sought to not accommodate meditators who would come to > > > > > > > > > meditate. [Need a Course Office TMSP Badge exclusively to > > > > > > > > > meditate there] They [the strict preservationists] seem > > > > > > > > > determinedly out of touch with the meditating community as it > > > > > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - the Dome experience with Jack Bodger constantly cracking > > > > > > > > > his knuckles, people whoopin' and hollerin', many sleeping, > > > > > > > > > many just sitting there and watching the flying (so-called > > > > > > > > > flying) was a circus more than anything else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The one thing I did enjoy was the time Big Bopper Bevan > > > > > > > > > > stood up before the beginning of program to announce in an > > > > > > > > > > obviously peevish voice that coming over to him while he > > > > > > > > > > was "resting" after the flying to ask him questions was > > > > > > > > > > ABSOLUTELY NOT legitimate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh and by the way Buck there ain't no meditation groups in > > > > > > > > > > these parts. Everyone is too busy out trying to catch a > > > > > > > > > > photo of the space bros making crop circles, but so far no > > > > > > > > > > luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > From: Buck > > > > > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:05 AM > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Group meditation is a castle that protects the new > > > > > > > > > > spiritual aspirants as well as the veteran meditators. > > > > > > > > > > Meditating together increases the degree of > > > > > > > > > > Self-realization of each member of the group by the law of > > > > > > > > > > invisible vibratory exchange of group magnetism." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ��"Paramahansa Yogananda in Seeking God Together > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson > > > > > > > > > > > <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you leaning in that direction yourself, Buck since > > > > > > > > > > > > you are realizing that Bevvie and Company are not going > > > > > > > > > > > > to let go the reins of power until the Black Camel > > > > > > > > > > > > kneels outside their tent? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MJ, good question. Like many meditators I am a > > > > > > > > > > > practitioner and not necessarily a devotee. In groups > > > > > > > > > > > meditators commonly go where the field effect of shakti > > > > > > > > > > > is of the greatest benefit. [natural tendency]. Like > > > > > > > > > > > most I look to the TM movement just to facilitate my > > > > > > > > > > > meditation and to providing a group meditation. Nothing > > > > > > > > > > > more. Evidently I am much more in line with Brahmananda > > > > > > > > > > > Saraswati [Guru Dev] than most any of the TM movement now > > > > > > > > > > > on this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All wishing for the Maharishi-TM movement is that they > > > > > > > > > > > would do a better job of facilitating the group program > > > > > > > > > > > and the Meissner Effect of group meditation. They have > > > > > > > > > > > failed miserably at that and for that by good science the > > > > > > > > > > > leadership should be held accountable for as a crime > > > > > > > > > > > against humanity. Look back at any of the glossy TM > > > > > > > > > > > publications for the last 40 years and it is the same > > > > > > > > > > > guys in the thumbnail photos in charge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The obviously discouraging thing verified recently when > > > > > > > > > > > the Prime Minister answered questions last month live in > > > > > > > > > > > Fairfield is that he was unchanged. Was a sinking > > > > > > > > > > > feeling for the TM movement and all that the re-certs are > > > > > > > > > > > valiantly trying to do bringing TM back watching him lead > > > > > > > > > > > that so-called community meeting particularly where he > > > > > > > > > > > shut up the only person in the room starting to bring up > > > > > > > > > > > substantial points around communal fear, lack of > > > > > > > > > > > transparency, and the TM anti-saint policy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It must be very discouraging for the progressive > > > > > > > > > > > Hagelin-ites trying to re-ignite a meditating movement > > > > > > > > > > > dealing with Bevan the stick in the mud when Bevan holds > > > > > > > > > > > the trump cards. Actually I know it is. Everyone from > > > > > > > > > > > the top down is waiting for the fat guy to retire or die. > > > > > > > > > > > The black camel kneeling thing. When that happens like > > > > > > > > > > > in all post-charismatic movements sensible things can get > > > > > > > > > > > done by corporate consensus afterwords. There is a lot > > > > > > > > > > > of precedent in history for that. But then TM'ers don't > > > > > > > > > > > study history to know, I am just a journalist. However, > > > > > > > > > > > I still like this YouTube clip the best to see what is > > > > > > > > > > > going on in TM now. It is very exciting. Of course skip > > > > > > > > > > > the advertisement in the beginning but see it through to > > > > > > > > > > > the finish: > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSl-6aC6GEQ > > > > > > > > > > > Spoiler: spot Orb to the end! > > > > > > > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > à> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear MJ; Yur evidently being jaded such by the past > > > > > > > > > > > > bad behavior of TM and its leaders, MJ given the > > > > > > > > > > > > science and experience of meditation now I am concerned > > > > > > > > > > > > that you are not in a group meditating. I have > > > > > > > > > > > > noticed that the Yogananda people are open to having > > > > > > > > > > > > people meditate along with them in their group > > > > > > > > > > > > meditations. They can have very powerful group > > > > > > > > > > > > meditations [field effect] that one can sit with when > > > > > > > > > > > > traveling away. Look for SRF on the web. I was just > > > > > > > > > > > > up in Minneapolis and they have a real nice meditation > > > > > > > > > > > > place. Turns out that Yogananda taught there in the > > > > > > > > > > > > 1920's for some time and they have had a group > > > > > > > > > > > > meditation since. They have a silent practice that > > > > > > > > > > > > other meditators can sit in with so long as you are not > > > > > > > > > > > > disturbing their practice. Look on the web for a > > > > > > > > > > > > place. > > > > > > > > > > > > SRF group meditations might be a good tip for other > > > > > > > > > > > > notable disaffected meditators here too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson > > > > > > > > > > > > <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and you believed him? What did you expect him to say > > > > > > > > > > > > > that they are a bunch of elitist lying thieving > > > > > > > > > > > > > crooks? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 1:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > > > > > > > > Really nice TM Guru Purnima meeting in the Dome last > > > > > > > > > > > > > nite for Badge holders or course office vetted only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing so secret though was said that the > > > > > > > > > > > > > rank-and-file movement's meditator or even just any > > > > > > > > > > > > > public non-meditator would not have been inspired by. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was evidently a lost opportunity to have asked the > > > > > > > > > > > > > old meditators of the community back in like the old > > > > > > > > > > > > > days. However, John Hagelin gave a wonderful > > > > > > > > > > > > > presentation of how the movement is doing. Much > > > > > > > > > > > > > progress has been made since he re-oriented things > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the time of Maharishi's death [2008]. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement is doing quite well in modern retrofit. You > > > > > > > > > > > > > all should take another look at > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.tm.org/about-us TM.org. TM is on a > > > > > > > > > > > > > comeback and that is very exciting regardless of any > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the past controversies. Moving forward, > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Buck in the Dome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" > > > > > > > > > > > > > <feste37@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are 100% right on this, Buck. Guru Purnima > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be open to all. I don't know what their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reconciliation with its meditators?? The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leadership has lost itself once again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incredible. This is a no-brainier, there are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two easy days to invite people in on and Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Purnima is one of them. Instead the leadership > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wants to split and be contentious with people? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is badly incredible that at a time they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wanting for people they hold out for an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exclusivity over this! Shame on them. They seem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > determined to bury the old meditating movement in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the exclusivity of their own fealty testing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This could have been one of the easiest meetings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to host in the Domes for everyone and anyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wanting to celebrate Maharishi, meditating, or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the work of the movement. They have failed once > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TM Guru Purnima; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All Meditators, Sidhas and Governors are warm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invited. Please bring your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > current program badge* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kiKZjq0vTWg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
