Well I felt pretty free when I wrote welcome back. GF!
________________________________ From: Richard J. Williams <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 3:09 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Real Fairfield Life Post Share Long: > Welcome back, Richard! > If we had free will we could see into the future, or go back in the past and change things. If we had free will we could ignore social morals and not even consider a moral reciprocity. We could forget about responsibility. We could do what we want, when we want, and that would be the whole of the law. > > To rudely follow up on my own post, but cutting to > > the chase... > > > If you had free will, you could levitate or leap over > tall buildings; you would have mind control and be > able to predict the future, so you could avoid the > dangers that lie ahead. Go figure. > > Free will would be like being a God - able to cause > change at will. > > Sorry Charlie, but the world doesn't work that way. > > We all follow the laws of cause and effect - a body > in motion tends to stay in motion, etc. > > That is, unless you're attempting to inject a new, > transcendental force into the universe. > > Just remember: a body at rest tends to stay at rest. > > LoL! > > > IF you believe > > that Nature runs things > > and you don't really > > have any Free Will > > with which to "decide" > > what to do > > > > DID you ever > > have a choice about > > whether to meditate > > or not? > > > > :-) > > > > --- In [email protected], turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > Very nice post. THIS is what Fairfield Life could be if so many > > > weren't so committed to lowering it to their level. > > > > > > That said, I only have one comment, and I hope you understand > > > that this is for fun, since we've discussed our differences of opinion > > > on the subject of free will in the past... > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > So, being able to enlighten someone or teach them about it is a > > > > pretty big gift, and so I do respect MMY - warts and all. > > > > > > IF, as you suggest, there is no free will, and we're just flowing > > along > > > with Nature, circling the drain of ITS intention, not ours, why would > > > an ostensible teacher of enlightenment be any more special than any > > > other being, or what they "teach" a "gift?" > > > > > > I mean, if there is no free will, and we're all just doing what Nature > > > intends, then how could anything such a "teacher of enlightenment" > > > do or say *affect* us in any way? According to the No Free Will > > > theory, someone or something ELSE is running things. Nothing that > > > *anyone* we ever meet should be able to change that Plan, or Flow, > > > or whatever you choose to call it. > > > > > > Enlightened, schmightened. If there is No Free Will, and no one has > > > the ABILITY to change what is going to happen to them (because > > > Nature is "running" all of that shit), then how can any "teaching" by > > > any supposed "teacher of enlightenment" be seen as having been > > > instrumental in any of his/her students realizing enlightenment? > > > > > > Nature handles that shit, according to your theory. Not the seeker, > > > and not the teacher. IF your theory is correct, and there is No Free > > > Will, there is simply no possibile way to affect one's own future. It > > > wouldn't matter how many "teachers of enlightenment" you met; > > > Nature controls whether you're going to realize your own enlight- > > > enment...not the teachers, and not you. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > >
