Wow, nice to get the full story. I guess it all makes sense from their perspective, except for the smearing of course.
________________________________ From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com" <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 2:57 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: The betrayal by Western students Well first off, strict Maharishi true-believers dislike Rick in particular for having been a skin carrier then setting up and holding open a public forum [FFL] that gives free rein to straight-up negativity about Maharishi and TM. Second they dislike Rick for opening up the larger inquiry in to the shadows and dirt of the shadows of the movement. They fundamentally don't like Rick personally because they see him as not being essentially loyal but also being actively disloyal in hosting FFL as a place which digs up dirt about TM and Maharishi. In particular of course as they see it is Rick who really dug out and brought together the sex stories of the movement and who has also persisted after the financial improprieties of the movement community. Of course that all gets close to home for these few people who are both really enmeshed in the middle of things and so identified with the Knowledge and Maharishi. So, yes their having a strong sense of self and loyalty defines themselves in a way that holds them together. One ballistic missile that always gets an early launch and sent in conversation to destroy Rick's personal credibility is an assertion that he would accepted money to find dirt. He supposedly did it for money. A strong personality in the middle always asserts Rick particularly was 'paid' by the Kaplans to find dirt on Maharishi. That of course is a double dump as the Kaplans were ultimately disloyal and then the assertion that they 'paid' and he might have taken money doing dirty work for the Kaplans actively raking muck. In pleasant conversation that pretty much ends any discourse that cites Rick or anything FFL. Of course it does not help at all that Rick as a meditator, TM teacher, and former skin carrier now helps over at the Ammachi meetings. -FFL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Look, These particular TM movement people are operating on a code of honor. At that level there is a strong sense of who and what they are doing. After all they are in the middle of doing great things as millenarian revolutionaries. And, we certainly are. These are some particular people who see themselves as being extremely loyal and in their culture they actively test and hold everyone else against their own standard of morality around their own sense of loyalty from the top down. It's evidently a lower form of morality which drives most people away. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg's_stages_of_moral_development >--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote: > > >Its this kind of crap that shows what the Movement really is. While Rick was >the one who convinced me that marshy was sexually active, he has been highly >complimentary toward the old goat, and has been positive towards TM and its >effects. What the Movement people demand is total lockstep with all the crap >they believe, which apparently includes NO OTHER TEACHERS OR SAINTS!!! Yet, in >typical TM Movement hypocrisy, they are more than willing to have asses like >Russel Brand who disparages women, visits the Hare Krishnas and caused the BBC >to be fined, let's see, I think it was 150,000 pounds for a prank he pulled. >These guys are so foolish they can't see that if people like Rick were >included, the Movement would be much stronger, much more widespread and TM >more accepted around the world. So you guys who still love to love an >organization whose leaders hide under their desks during a full eclipse, and >are scared to enter a south facing entrance, go right ahead. And by the way, Rick didn't try to convince me marshy was a horny guy, he just answered a couple questions I had and that was it. > > > > > >________________________________ > From: Rick Archer <rick@...> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 1:26 PM >Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students > > >From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of dhamiltony2k5@... >Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 7:49 AM >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The betrayal by Western students > >My tru-believer friends here too typically go ballistic when Rick's name is >brought up in conversation. It is stunning to witness the vitriol when it come >around Rick from them. Polite conversation has to end when they pull it out >and let it fly around Rick. Seems they use Rick for their own purposes like >some Christians would use TM but this is a small element within TM anymore as >it is a small element within Christianity to do with TM. > >It always surprises me when I hear that. I heard Wally DeVasier reacts that >way. IâÂÂll have to ask him why next time I run into him. Is it FFL, which I >set up but am hardly involved with? Is free speech really that reprehensible? >I think itâÂÂs healthy. Is it Batgap â through which I might be seen as >âÂÂpromoting other teachersâÂÂ? I think itâÂÂs healthy for people to >realize that there are numerous channels of spirituality around the world, and >that their way is not the only way, or even necessarily the best way. May be >best for them, but different strokes for different folks, as Sly sang. Is it >my Amma involvement? IâÂÂll have to ask. Inquiring minds want to know. Buck, >maybe you can ask for me next time one of your friends goes ballistic. Please >do, and let me know. DonâÂÂt just post it here, as I may miss it.
