Oh I understand now - you didn't say spaciness, you just said side effects - but I understand now what you meant.
________________________________ From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" <authfri...@yahoo.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:06 AM Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor Yes, as I believe I said, some people have had very serious side effects. However, my point was that the "spaciness" during rounding was generally not serious, but the rules about not leaving the facility or making important decisions during the course would have made good sense even if that was the complete extent of the side effects. IOW, the rules didn't constitute a "conundrum." --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I'm not so sure that's true - for me personally the unstressing was something that passed by the time of the end of each course, but I have heard of plenty of people who had problems long after the courses were over, plus the people who were not helped by course leaders and were either kicked off or left on their own. ________________________________ From: "authfriend@..." <authfriend@...> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:05 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor Except that the side effects Barry mentions aren't harmful as long as you follow the course rules. Tthose side effects have dissipated by the end of the course (because the rounding has been tapered down), and all that's left are the beneficial effects. FWIW, Barry's griped about this dozens of times here (and the "side effects" meme is by no means original with him). He makes a huge deal out of very little, IMHO. I mean, even exercising for fitness has side effects. Of course, you can also be seriously injured during exercise, and apparently some folks have had serious side effects as a result of their TM practice. But that isn't what Barry is fuming about here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: that is an excellent description, Barry - I never thought of TM as a drug with side effects but I reckon that is what it is. Like a soma pill, with side efects! ________________________________ From: turquoiseb <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@...> wrote: >>> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> wrote: >>> > >>> > So during the course nothing substantive was done for >>> > these folks? I mean beyond telling them to do more >>> > asanas or something? >>> >>> Depends on the course. On small ATR courses, no >>> nothing in particular was really done. On larger >>> courses, they might have been referred to one of >>> the resident quacks...uh...I mean doctors. >>> >>> But it was clear that no real effort was made to >>> help any of these people who were twitching >>> uncontrollably or having symptoms that looked >>> for all the world like Tourette syndrome or >>> worse, because the prevailing myth was always >>> "TM is 100% life supporting." No one was willing >>> to go up against that and add, "...for many >>> people, but for others, it may cause problems." >>> >>> Anyone I ever spoke to who was going through this >>> commented on the "Blame the victim" mentality they >>> were exposed to. It was always, "What are YOU >>> doing wrong that this is happening to you? We >>> all 'know' that it 'shouldn't' be happening." >> >>Just to follow up, Michael, here's the essential >>conundrum posed by all of this. I worked for some >>time in the West Coast Regional Office of the TMO, >>arranging all the weekend and longer residence >>courses. On the one hand, we were told by MMY's >>core dogma that TM was "100% life supporting," and >>that it could not *possibly* have any negative >>effects. Simply can't happen. >> >>On the other hand, as part of what we did for the >>TMO, we were asked to tell the course leaders and >>course participants that while they were on the >>course, they could not drive, they could not even >>leave the facility, on longer courses they could >>not go anywhere even on the facility grounds unless >>they were accompanied by their "buddy," and that >>they definitely shouldn't make any important >>decisions while they were on the course because >>their judgment might be impaired. >> >>If a drug had that many admitted side effects, >>you wouldn't be able to sell it without a >>prescription. >> >>
