So, we can assume, based on their input from this thread, that the bija
mantras used in the basic TM practice came from MMY's teacher, SBS and
the Shankaracharya tradition.
No one seems to be disputing this.
And we do know that everything MMY did he did it in the name of his
teacher, SBS, according to Larry Domash.
"From him, Maharishi absorbed this timeless value, a breadth and
delicacy of awareness that allows the full range of states of
consciousness available to the human nervous system to be directly
experienced in a systematic way." - Larry Domash
So, let's examine the account by Larry Domash as to where the MMY bija
mantras came from.
"The Shankaracharya tradition, furthermore, is considered to be the
official custodian of the body of techniques and practices that
constitute the physiological and experiential side of India's Vedic
philosophy, especially those techniques that collectively may be called
'meditation'." - Larry Domash
http://tinyurl.com/o65rpv2
So, the question is, why did Domash skip over the tantric origins of the
SBS practice? Maybe because he is not a historian and didn't know about
the SBS affilations with the Sri Vidya sect. Or, maybe he didn't know
that the TM bija mantras are enumerated in the Sounda. Go figure.
On 10/8/2013 8:32 AM, iranitea wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
Judy: "Shut up, Richard. I'm not disputing anything. "
She's just such a sweetie, isn't she?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
It sure is looking like the authfriend is disputing the fact that
Swami Karpatri was a member of the Sri Vidya sect. Now, why would she
do that and mislead us about the SBS affiliations with Sri Vidya?
Obviously if Swami Karpatri was a Sri Vidya he learned it from his
guru SKS. Go figure.
"He was also the great expert of Shree Vidya and probably all the
present day experts in Varanasi have somehow or the other obtained
Shree vidya from him or his pupils."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri
Why would MMY tell a fib about his tradition's lineage?
So many questions - so few answers.
The question is: why do some TMers meditate on the bija of Saraswati
if MMY didn't get the bja from SBS? Would MMY just make it up or read
it in a book? Is it just a coincidence that the bija of Saraswati is
included in the fifteen bijas mentioned in the Sound Arya Lahari by
the Adi Shankara?
There is one undisputed fact: all the Saraswati dasanami's meditate on
the bija mantra of Saraswati at least twice a day!
Is there anyone here who would dispute this?
On 10/7/2013 7:05 PM, s3raphita@... <mailto:s3raphita@...> wrote:
Thanks for the link authfriend. I can see why MMY would approve that
account!
Richard's posts seem to confirm that Guru Dev most likely did have a
Sri Yantra.
I still think that the tale of Maharishi bumping off his master,
stealing his jewelled Sri Yantra and then heading south to meet with
Indian magicians who teach him how to unlock its secrets would make a
great movie: Maharishi invokes asuras who promise him unlimited
wealth and power - the CGI people are given free rein at this point.
The asuras' acolyte (film-maker Kenneth Anger) is instructed to
prepare the way amongst rock royalty like the Stones and the Beatles
. . . and so it goes. Scorcese would lap this up.
A while back I read Our Spiritual Heritage: An Informal History of
the Masters of the Sankaracharya Tradition by Lynn Nappe (a former TM
teacher) - the story of each of the masters of the Shankaracharya
tradition. The entry for Guru Dev includes an overview of his
meditation advice that is most certainlynot TM. Lynne Nappe glosses
this by saying Guru Dev's own technique was different but he wanted a
simple variant suitable for the "housekeeper". I guess we're all
housekeepers . . . housewives or househusbands.
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com>, <noozguru@...>
<mailto:noozguru@...> wrote:
On 10/07/2013 01:02 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
So, where did the meditation of SBS come from?
Meditation is a technique that is common all over India,
especially in
the sect of the Sri Vidya. In that tradition they meditate on
the bija
mantra of Saraswati. It's the same bija mantra given out in TM
initiation. It's the same technique - it's a meditation using a
bija
mantra of Saraswati.
Let's review what we know about SBS.
Rajaram Mishra, later to become Swami Bramhananda Saraswati, was
born on
Thursday, 21 December, 1868 in village Gana, which is close to
the city
of Ayodhya, in North India. Rajaram was enrolled at the Sanskrit
Institute at Kashi at the age of eight and later became a
student of
Swami Krishnananda Saraswati of Utter Kashi.
http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/parampara.html
Are we agreed so far?
So, we can assume that the SBS learned meditation from SKS who was
initiated by his guru. All the gurus in the Saraswati lineage
meditate
on the bija of Saraswati. Their headquarters is at Sringeri.
According
to the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, the meditation technique
used in TM
originated with the Vedic sage Naryana. It's the same meditation
that is
used by all the Shankaracharyas in that lineage.
So, the TM bija mantras came from SBS, who was a member of the
dasanami
order of the Saraswati dandi sannyasins, founded by the Adi
Shankara.
The bijas used in TM have been around for ages. And they didn't
have to come from anyone.
.
