Speaking of such things, did you ever get a US TV series called "Lie To Me" there in the UK?
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Re "Derren definitely possesses unusual abilities": > > Yes, but not *psychic* abilities. He uses NLP trickery (eye-movement cues); lip-reading expertise; amazing memory recall; covert hypnosis; muscle reading; old-fashioned conjuring ; . . . ; but nothing that can't be understood by a hard-nosed scientist. So do the psychics. That's his point. Funny how some miss it. Speaking of such things, did you ever get a US TV series called "Lie To Me" there in the UK? It's definitely worth a watch, if you did and it comes up on reruns. Tim Roth (always great) plays a character based on the real work of Dr. Paul Ekman and the Ekman Group on facial recognition and body language. > ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, > awoelflebater@ wrote: > > I watched the whole thing and found it utterly fascinating. The interesting thing is, Derren definitely possesses unusual abilities and he knows this so the 'joke' is on us, the viewers, who are supposedly 'in the know' about what he is doing to the 'unsuspecting' 5 experts. The whole concept and execution was very watchable and I would like to see more from this guy. > > ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, > s3raphita@ wrote: > > On the thread Judy referenced there's a cynical message by one curtisdeltablues "It makes more sense that his NLP skills are instantly effective and magical on strangers. Yeah that makes much more sense. How could anyone actually give money to another person for the purposes of making it look like they had done something magical?": > > The clip he's talking about - where Derren gets strangers to hand over their wallets and keys - is a common criminal scam. It relies on a "pattern interrupt", as they say in NLP jargon, and body mirror imaging and is clearly effective. (Apologies if link is blocked for US viewers.) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdYgEDSm7E > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdYgEDSm7E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdYgEDSm7E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdYgEDSm7E > > ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, > s3raphita@ wrote: > > Re "As a confirmed skeptic, would he even recognize it if he were getting genuine little nudges from the Beyond?": > > Yes, that's an intriguing suggestion. However, having taken a look at the previous thread you referenced, I'm sure you've all got it wrong. Yes, he does use NLP ideas in some tricks but this is essentially a (covert) hypnosis session. At the point where he asks them if they now believe in God - and they all say "Yes" - he could have got them to go down on all fours and bark like a dog - the typical stage hypnosis entertainment. > He carries it off with panache though. > > Re "In any case, I do still think (as I said in the earlier discussion) that he's creeeepy.": > > That's his act! He plays up to the Svengali archetype. That's the fun of his show (and I've seen him live). > > The segment where he copied by "remote-viewing" what a psychic was drawing was probably pulled off by him suggesting subliminally key images as he talks to her. (What we see is edited, of course.) > > The segment where he knows what the woman had dreamed of over the previous nights was another knock-out. "Pure effect" as Derren Brown calls it. Still trying to figure that one out. > > He's a divisive figure in the UK. Some people (rationalists) really loathe him as he's such a consummate professional he inevitably makes viewers think, "Hey, maybe there's something genuinely psychic going on". > > Most people, like me, recognise him as an outstanding magician and just enjoy being baffled. Some of his stunts it has literally taken me years of head-scratching to work out how he did them. > > ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, > authfriend@ wrote: > > Yes, thank you. I've actually seen this segment before--someone posted it here a few years ago and we had a bit of discussion about it (the thread begins with #161279 if you want to have a look). > > Seeing it again, I find I've changed my mind somewhat about what's going on. I think he may, in fact, have a "gift," but he doesn't know it; and it may not be a benign "gift." He may--sometimes, not necessarily always--be getting some help from sources that he's not aware of because he's so focused on, and has such confidence in, his various tricks and techniques. As a confirmed skeptic, would he even recognize it if he were getting genuine little nudges from the Beyond? > > In any case, I do still think (as I said in the earlier discussion) that he's creeeepy. > > What I'd like to see would be what would happen if one of his subjects just flatly resisted him (even if he was telling them stuff about themselves that was true). > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > s3raphita@ wrote: > > Does this site work for you? > > http://vimeo.com/46045821 http://vimeo.com/46045821 > http://vimeo.com/46045821 http://vimeo.com/46045821 > > > ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, > authfriend@ wrote: > > The video ain't available in the U.S., sadly. > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > s3raphita@ wrote: > > Mind-control magician and skeptic Derren Brown takes his debunking mission to America to show just how easy it is to dupe people into believing impossible things before breakfast. He tried to convince five leading figures that he had powers in their particular field of expertise: Christian evangelism, alien abduction, psychic powers, New Age theories and contacting the dead. > The whole 50 minutes is a hoot but if you only take a peek check out the segment from 13:11 where he demonstrates his power to convert atheists with a touch. Derren is a friend and admirer of Richard Dawkins - I'd love to see him do this to the Great Atheist. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLbesxxKzcM > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLbesxxKzcM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLbesxxKzcM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLbesxxKzcM > It was on here but I missed it. Another one I never saw(!) was "The Mentalist" with Simon Baker which seems to mine similar territory. Would you recommend that one also? I'm sure there are other similar series - looks like I've got a lot of viewing pleasure to look forward to. (I hate being drip fed TV series' episodes once a week. If I see a series I like the look of I prefer waiting until it comes out on a DVD box set then I can glut myself.)
