On 12/31/2013 10:35 PM, [email protected] wrote:

 > Back to the usual clap-trap.
 >
Without enlightenment, there's no Buddha. Without Buddha, there's no 
Buddhism. You're not even making any sense, Bill.

The historical Buddha wrote nothing, and the language that he spoke is 
no longer extant. This being the case, a person such as yourself could 
hardly know what the Buddha taught about much of anything about ay 
secret doctrines. Apparently you can't even understand any Tibetan. Go 
figure.

However, based on the research of learned scholars such as Robert 
Thurman, we can infer that the Buddha maintained a strict silence on the 
matters of the first cause. Not for nothing did they call the Buddha the 
Shakya the Muni,  "the silent sage" of the Shakya clan. It's just not 
enough to declare all the historians to be "clap-trap". You've got to at 
least makes sense if you are going to participate in a discussion about 
the historical Buddha.

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