--- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
<snip>
> > Action, indeed, should be understood,
> > wrong action should also be understood,
> > and inaction should be understood as well.
> > Unfathomable is the course of action.
> > 
> > MMY comments, in part:
> > 
> > "The Lord has said that knowledge of action is
> > necessary and yet, the course of action being
> > unfathomable, knowledge of it must remain
> > incomplete.  
> 
> That knoweldge of action is incomplete, not totally absent, is a
> huge point many appear to miss. Time and time again "Unfathomable 
> is the course of action" is trotted out to claim that we can have no
> knowledge of the effects of our actions. Such nonesense.

Unquestionably nonsense.  (However, that isn't
directly relevant to the point I was making about
its being impossible to use behavior as the
criterion for enlightenment.)

> We can have a reasonable and useful level of such knowlede. And with
> various abilities refined, some may have quite a bit of on-target 
> abilities. 

If we didn't use it, we couldn't function at all.

> The point is, there is always going to be an "error term", just as
> statistical models all have error terms. They might explain 60% or
> 90% of the fluctuations of some phenomenon, but not all of it. 
> There are always some unexplained influences and effects. That does 
> not mean that such models are useless. Quite the contrary. In a 
> similar fashion, humans can know some efect of acions. In some caes 
> quite a bit of the effect.

I'd suggest that our knowledge of the consequences
of actions becomes less and less certain as the
ripples of an action's ramifications extend outward
from the time and place of the action.

Michael Dean Goodman (on TMNews, I think it was) once
set out a lengthy account of the potential consequences
of some simple action unfolding over time in which they
shifted from negative to positive to negative to positive,
over and over, extending centuries into the future with
no end in sight.  It's not difficult to imagine such
scenarios with any action.

This is also why the notion of "support of nature" is
iffy.  An event that seems to be completely positive
when it happens can have very negative consequences
down the road, and vice-versa.






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