--- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Oct 13, 2005, at 9:44 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote:
>
> > It puzzles me also, why people, when they stop
> identifying the 'I'
> > with an image of one's personal self, say there is
> no 'I' anymore.
> >
> > The `I' is the subject, who feels, sees,
> interprets and evaluates
> > situations, makes meaning, uses concepts like
> enlightenment in
> > communication, relates to others, is in dialogue
> with others. The
> > fact that something is being perceived is based on
> subject/object
> > dualism. The perceiver is subject, the perceived
> is object.
> > The `I', the subject, cannot see itself. If it
> can, there is an error
> > in interpreting. The subject can see only
> something that is object to
> > itself. In enlightenment this error vanishes. And
> another error seems
> > to appear, the idea that there is no `I'.
>
> The whole topic is rather interesting. This would
> certainly not be
> considered enlightenment IMO--merely a transitory
> realization that
> "I" is empty and not "solid". Really from a Buddhist
> perspective, if
> one is enlightened one does not claim it for a
> number of reasons--it
> causes sentient beings to argue, it creates
> jealousy, etc. Therefore
> a Buddha cannot make a declaration which will cause
> suffering. From
> that POV one who claims to be "enlightened"
> typically is not. I have
> to wonder if that is one of the reasons the
> Surangama sutra is
> mentioned in movement literature (and lectures)--so
> that people might
> pick it up and read it. It details all the ways that
> people are
> fooled into believing they are enlightened--and I'm
> sure this is one
> of them.
Hence I call CC "baby realization." Just the first
experiential clarification occuring.
>
>
>
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