--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Oct 12, 2005, at 4:02 PM, akasha_108 wrote:
> 
> > Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Oct 12, 2005, at 2:10 PM, akasha_108 wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Enlightenment, connates, to me at least, an endpoint.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Hmmm. Never got that., although unimpeded omniscience might seem
> >>
> > that way.
> >
> >
> > Well it you may have a broader view than many. Why label some 
initial
> > state with a high falutin term like "enlightenment". It never made
> > sense to me.
> 
> Nor me. My lingering question having been a youngster when I 
started  
> TM--as I strongly suspected we weren't being given the full picture-
- 
> was what did others have to say? Seven states of Consciousness? 
The  
> Self resting in the Self? Eventually you get the answers. Look 
deep  
> enough and you get the experiences too, not stuck on some initial  
> experiences of clarity or bliss or the elements relaxing or calm 
or  
> movement or presence.
> 
> > Maybe call it "first light" or "groggy, but eyes are
> > open" or "ascended above sea level" or "less localized" (instead 
of
> > "cosmic") or "release from prison to a half-way house with ankle
> > braclet" instead of "liberation".
> 
> Yeah I remember after learning Sanskrit trying to find out what 
all  
> the *real* words were for all the TM buzzwords and experiences.  
> "Cosmic Consciousness" wasn't that cosmic at all, how 
disappointing  
> and how enlightening. All it really means is "Beyond the Fourth".
> 

"Merely normal" didn't tip you off?

> It was interesting after TM daze to hang out with yogis who had  
> profound experiential knowledge and seeing all these students who  
> thought they were enlightened. A real learning experience.
> 

But MMY obviously hasn't a clue...





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