I haven't thought about all this in a long time. But now when I think about my 
experience, restful alertness or suspension are the best terms because 
transcending implies activity. And there is no activity. Just pure potentiality 
of all kinds of activity: thinking, feeling, sensing. Definitely an emptiness 
full of pure potentiality.





On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 1:47 PM, "[email protected]" 
<[email protected]> wrote:
 
  
"Restful alertness" is a fine term, but there's not a thing wrong with 
"transcending." It's understood to mean transcending mental activity. Nobody 
uses it to mean transcending the Self.

Xeno, I still really like Maharishi's phrase restful alertness and would 
describe that as an inner state of suspension between two somethings. Also 
liminal, meaning on the edge of something. But suspension describes my 
experience better.

Ann used a great word to describe one result of meditation: BLANKING. This word 
does not have all the metaphysical implications that the word transcending does 
and might be more useful in a scientific context. The sense of self is always 
where 'you' are, regardless of 'state of consciousness', or what your mind 
appreciates as self, so transcending is a kind of misleading word. In other 
words, thought is 'transcended', but you do not, so saying you can transcend is 
ridiculous.


I have experienced  the first three of the states below (though not the 
drunkenness portion of anesthaesia).
        1. deep sleep, a very dull sort of blanking

        2. TC, during meditation, a more wakeful form of blanking (a small 
self-referral
loop)

        3. general anesthaesia (severe drunkenness might be considered a form 
of anesthaesia as well). This is the most blank one can get short of real 
death, with higher brain function neural networks pretty much in decoherence
        4. temporary unconsciousness due to injury

        5. reversible coma

        6. irreversible coma - brain death while body is alive

        7. death (though it has been shown mammalian brains goes into a hyper 
active state shortly before death if they are awake
immediately before rather than in a coma etc.)
I was wondering if anyone else had a word (or words) besides 'blanking' that 
might fill the bill for a replacement for 'transcending'? This might also be 
more applicable to other kinds of meditation such as mindfulness, where no 
effort is used, but the goal is not to become completely silent, that may or 
may not happen. The main point is to just be still, and experience what happens.


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