This same thing of some bad behavior of some plagued the early Mormon movement when they showed up on the frontier in Illinois at Nauvoo to settle and build their Shining City on the Hill overlooking the Mississippi River. Well, not wishing to distract from the central subject of this here subject thread but; there were some Mormon people in their larger community who were real operators. Swindlers of locals and farmers in business dealings, stealing horses and such too. Bad people. Word spread about "the Mormons" hold up there in Nauvoo. That reputation generated by a few really bad ones was put on the larger group of Mormons and subsequently was part of what came along in to a frontier justice served them that was the demise of Joseph Smith and resulted in a negotiated removal of Mormons generally from Illinois then for their own safety because the State could not guarantee their safety at the time. The bad behavior of a few. . [Not that the locals then did not have some of their own bad ones too, as like even in Fairfield today.] -Buck
Bad socialization in an upbringing can be seen anywhere in a people at any station. Evidently even in thel growing illumined. There is certainly Nature and there is certainly nurture in any person. People are born in to the temple as the human nervous system that comes with some manufactured standard equipment [OEM] like consciousness, egos, mind, heart and intellect. And then there are the families and communities they are born in to. We should not overlook the significance of poor to middling upbringings of some of those even in the TM movement to explain some of their behavior aside from some factors around illumination on a scale of consciousness. Yep, actually Dr. David Hawkins the late great Western sage had a lot to say about this thing of ethical behavior and consciousness too. I feel MJ here is making way to much of a fuss about all this stuff in the past. Seems like abnormal fussiness. Evidently as with any socio-pathology the thing to do to protect a community or any organization from bad behavior is to have metrics for performance to judge people by. Aside from norms the science seems to say that the sociopaths show themselves for who they are when there are standards of performance. That is good information in getting along: groups and organizations beware and protect yourselves accordingly, -Buck turquoiseb writes: That was probably the problem with the rioting pandits, too...their upbringing. Nothing to do with TM at all... Actually the attorneys general protecting the general public have put most the crooked community meditators out of business either in to jail or barred from at least security business, some barred for life. It is not that these bad-minded ones were meditators but much more likely examples of asocial bad-upbringing. Much more likely they were victim of their poor upbringings from where ever they came from. Those crooked while certainly part of the old story of Fairfield, Iowa hardly represent the larger good of the meditating community of Fairfield, Iowa. Om, just to be a little more accurate about some things mentioned below for any outsiders looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG churning accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned. Telegroup was taking in good people's money from the community at their front door while loading it out the back door as they were filing for bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a different route of consumer fraud played on people. -Buck Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes: I'd just as soon "invest" my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for "investors" to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the "investors" would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung writes: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd be ashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars and thieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of "faith-based" businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to "steal" the business of Reading's Fun from a former partner or how Telegroup [ITG] "just made up their advice" to their customers in order to churn the accounts? BAH! . . .
