---In [email protected], <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
Fairfield, Iowa. Om, well word out on the Fairfield streets and in the coffee shops is that there are meditators selling irrevocable trusts that are of a sketchy kind, in cahoots too with an infamous security trader.. . Also published in the local paper too, there was a warning article written with practical advice about schemes involving speculating and leveraging in Iranian currency. That is a hot topic too with some of our fringe teaparty meditators too. Law enforcement here has been getting complaints of scamming of people's money. Evidently the AttGen and IRS are looking at what is going on here and being sold to people. Apparently there have been some 300 of these trusts sold to Fairfudlians. .. .Everybody's doing it doing it.. . The predators are counting on the fact that there's a sucker incarnated at least every minute. http://www.assetprotectionattorneys.com/Domestic_Asset_Protection/Irrevocable_Trusts.aspx Avoid Trust Shams Also know which trusts to avoid. Promoters of pure trusts, common law trusts or constitutional trusts ensnare a gullible public. These promoters claim that these trusts predate our tax laws and are immune from taxation. Or they claim their trusts can lawsuit-proof your assets. The tax claims are nearly always bogus. Pure trusts are shams. They won’t give you a legitimate tax benefit, or other benefits beyond what you could get from other trusts. The IRS has challenged these abusive trusts and penalized their promoters and taxpayers who unlawfully used these trusts to avoid taxes. A grantor trust requires the grantor to pay taxes on the trust income. An irrevocable trust pays the taxes on its income. In either case, taxes are payable on trust earnings. A trust is generally not the way to avoid income taxes. Can a pure trust creditor-proof your assets? Possibly. The answer depends on whether the trust is irrevocable and whether you surrendered control over the trust. The asset protection and tax benefits that one can derive from any trust will be based solely on its terms and characteristics of the trust, not the name of the trust. Most pure trusts are simple, revocable grantor or nominee trusts. They compare to living trusts. They will give you neither asset protection nor tax benefits. Avoid organizations or promoters who claim their trust enjoys special powers or immunities. Have your attorney prepare or review your trusts. You want your trust to give you every benefit that you expect - not huge tax troubles. 'Free N. Flourishing' publishing here it seems possibly can tell us more, https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/378413 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/378413 “Not Me.” I's just tells it like I's hears it, -Buck on the Street This same thing of some bad behavior of some plagued the early Mormon movement when they showed up on the frontier in Illinois at Nauvoo to settle and build their Shining City on the Hill overlooking the Mississippi River. Well, not wishing to distract from the central subject of this here subject thread but; there were some Mormon people in their larger community who were real operators. Swindlers of locals and farmers in business dealings, stealing horses and such too. Bad people. Word spread about "the Mormons" hold up there in Nauvoo. That reputation generated by a few really bad ones was put on the larger group of Mormons and subsequently was part of what came along in to a frontier justice served them that was the demise of Joseph Smith and resulted in a negotiated removal of Mormons generally from Illinois then for their own safety because the State could not guarantee their safety at the time. The bad behavior of a few. . [Not that the locals then did not have some of their own bad ones too, as like even in some locals in Fairfield today too.] -Buck Bad socialization in an upbringing can be seen anywhere in a people at any station. Evidently even in thel growing illumined. There is certainly Nature and there is certainly nurture in any person. People are born in to the temple as the human nervous system that comes with some manufactured standard equipment [OEM] like consciousness, egos, mind, heart and intellect. And then there are the families and communities they are born in to. We should not overlook the significance of poor to middling upbringings of some of those even in the TM movement to explain some of their behavior aside from some factors around illumination on a scale of consciousness. Yep, actually Dr. David Hawkins the late great Western sage had a lot to say about this thing of ethical behavior and consciousness too. I feel MJ here is making way to much of a fuss about all this stuff in the past. Seems like abnormal fussiness. Evidently as with any socio-pathology the thing to do to protect a community or any organization from bad behavior is to have metrics for performance to judge people by. Aside from norms the science seems to say that the sociopaths show themselves for who they are when there are standards of performance. That is good information in getting along: groups and organizations beware and protect yourselves accordingly, -Buck turquoiseb writes: That was probably the problem with the rioting pandits, too...their upbringing. Nothing to do with TM at all... Actually the attorneys general protecting the general public have put most the crooked community meditators out of business either in to jail or barred from at least security business, some barred for life. It is not that these bad-minded ones were meditators but much more likely examples of asocial bad-upbringing. Much more likely they were victim of their poor upbringings from where ever they came from. Those crooked while certainly part of the old story of Fairfield, Iowa hardly represent the larger good of the meditating community of Fairfield, Iowa. Om, just to be a little more accurate about some things mentioned below for any outsiders looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG churning accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned. Telegroup was taking in good people's money from the community at their front door while loading it out the back door as they were filing for bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a different route of consumer fraud played on people. -Buck Yes, and thanks be to the Unified Field for the States Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of protecting us all as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad people doing bad things. -Buck Mjackson74 writes: I'd just as soon "invest" my money with Ed Beckley. There have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield, haven't there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one that someone shared here right after I first began posting on FFL about the Movement asking for "investors" to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the investors would get their money back, plus profit sharing and discounts on products and services - and the minute the Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the deal, saying all the "investors" would be re-payed only with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial investments, nothing! My favorite! Duveyoung writes: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund Telegroup? I would think they'd be ashamed to even mention the name. Crooks, liars and thieves sure love to do highfalutin' sounding enterprises. Is this another one? Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the track history of "faith-based" businesses in Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly toed the movement line, then, hey, you're just bullshitting us. How'z about someone in this new group explains how USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to "steal" the business of Reading's Fun from a former partner or how Telegroup [ITG] "just made up their advice" to their customers in order to churn the accounts? BAH! .
