But Michael, those incidents happened decades ago. You've had no contact with
these people since then. How can you continue to think such negative things
about them and more, say them in a public venue? IMO, it's neither right nor
healthy to do so.
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:02 PM, Michael Jackson <mjackso...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
everyone has the capacity to be both nice and nasty - I have already shared all
my unpleasant experiences about each of these individuals here on FFL
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On Tue, 4/1/14, Share Long <sharelon...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:46 PM
Michael,
you say some pretty nasty things about some individuals here
and I wonder when was the last time you had direct contact
with them. I know most of the people on your list, and have
had my disagreements with a few of them. But based on my
current contact with them, I'd say they are really good
people, like John Brigante whom you mentioned, and they are
dedicated to making the world a better place for everyone.
I don't think it's right or healthy for you to say
such negative things about people with whom you haven't
had contact for decades. In fact to me, it seems down right,
very much out of balance.
On Tuesday, April 1,
2014 8:16 AM, Michael Jackson <mjackso...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
that shouldn't have a single thing to do with
people who do TM - the PR on TM is that it improves life on
ALL levels - mental, physical, emotional, relationships and
the implication is made that money issues will disappear
with the improved all around functioning of the individual
brought on by regular TM and TMSP practice and is flat out
stated that money problems will go away if one has MAHARISHI
yagyas and lives in a MAHARISHI vastu designed house.
yet the evidence is undeniable that TM'ers do
unfortunate things such as commit suicide and do bad things
like rape, robbery, professors who target students for sex
(that's right I'm talking 'bout John Hagelin)
commit fraud (like Beckley) - you yourself David have
complained loudly and often about the behavior of Bevan
Morris whose draconian methods of control according to you
have kept Dome numbers low.
You can't accept that the long term meditators can have
anything wrong with them that can be attributed to the
practice itself, so you have to lay it off on factors that,
by the TMO's own PR should have been eliminated with TM
and its adjunct programs. Yet you continue to excuse TM and
the TMO and say there are mitigating factors. If its
upbringing, the practice of TM corrects those factors,
that's what the TMO says.
So how do these behaviors manifest in a long term TM'er?
Those more esoterically minded lay it off on "personal
karma" yet we have been told by the Grand Liar Marshy
that TM practice releases karma. Look, either TM works AS
ADVERTISED or it doesn't. And it is obvious that it
doesn't. So you have to make excuses. I have always
acknowledged that TM is an enjoyable practice for some
people and some people are very decent folks whom I have
known who are True Blue Believers, but not because they do
TM. As to TM teachers, its the same thing. If they would
have been decent people without TM, they are with TM and if
they are asses without TM, they will be asses with TM.
One example is John Briganti, used to teach in Charleston SC
- I have not seen him in many years, but when I first met
him on the first residence course I ever took, he was a down
to earth very decent man who did not give bullshit answers
to questions nor always take the TM party line and he
treated everyone he met with courtesy and respect. Gene
Speigel who was in charge of the Atlanta TM Center when it
was the Area Capitol in charge of the TM Centers in several
South Eastern states and who taught my third residence
course was an arrogant, abrasive, abusive sorry son of a
bitch and while I have not seen him in years either, I bet
he still is - has nothing to do with TM either way. Except
for one thing:
It sure seems that those who are natural sons of bitches
like Gene Speigel, Chris Crowell, Susan Humphries, Greg and
Georgina Wilson, Bevan Moriss, that arrogant ass Neil
Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin ('member him Steve?
The one who kept you from going to Zambia?) remain natural
sons of bitches and those who are naturally nice people
remain nice people - TM makes no dent in one's
personality whatsoever with one odd exception and that is
much like Nazi Germany, those who were most like the leader
-arrogant, abusive, elitist seem to rise to the top levels
of the TMO - must be collective karma.
Bottom line is TM and TMSP is a nice thing that makes some
people feel nice inside themselves, sometimes for decades.
The same practice causes mental instability, emotional
problems and leads to other problems too - you can lay it
off on their "personal karma" or whatever you
like, but the rubber never meets the road where TM is
concerned and you have to make excuses for the practice and
for the TMO. I know that you personally David believe that
TMSP will save the world, and God Bless you for your desire
to make that happen, but I hope you are not holding your
breath as you wait.
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On Tue, 4/1/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
<dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Venture Fund
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:55 AM
Bad socialization in an
upbringing can be seen
anywhere in a
people at any station. Evidently even in thel
growing
illumined.
There is certainly Nature and there is certainly nurture
in
any
person. People are born in to the temple as the
human
nervous system
that comes with some manufactured standard equipment
[OEM]
like
consciousness, egos, mind, heart and intellect. And
then
there are
the families and communities they are born in to. We
should
not
overlook the significance of poor to middling upbringings
of
some of
those even in the TM movement to explain some of their
behavior aside
from some factors around illumination on a scale of
consciousness.
Yep,
actually Dr. David Hawkins the late great Western sage had
a
lot to say about this thing of ethical behavior and
consciousness too.
I feel MJ here is making way to much of a fuss about all
this stuff
in the past. Seems like abnormal fussiness.
Evidently as
with
any socio-pathology the thing to do to protect a
community
or any
organization from bad behavior is to have metrics for
performance to
judge people by. Aside from norms the science seems to
say
that the sociopaths show
themselves for who they are when there are standards of
performance. That is good information in getting
along: groups and organizations beware and protect
yourselves accordingly, -Buck
turquoiseb writes:
That was
probably the problem with the rioting pandits,
too...their
upbringing. Nothing to do with TM at
all...
Actually the
attorneys general protecting the general public have
put most the crooked community meditators out of
business
either in
to jail or barred from at least security business, some
barred for
life. It is not that these
bad-minded ones were meditators but much more
likely examples of asocial bad-upbringing. Much more
likely
they were victim of their poor upbringings from where
ever
they came
from. Those
crooked while certainly part of the old story of
Fairfield, Iowa hardly represent the larger good of the
meditating
community of Fairfield, Iowa.
Om, just to be a
little
more accurate about some things mentioned below for any
outsiders
looking in, it was [International Trading Group] ITG
churning
accounts with made up information that the SEC sanctioned.
Telegroup
was taking in good people's money from the community
at
their front
door while loading it out the back door as they were
filing
for
bankruptcy. Beckley's and his people was a
different
route of
consumer fraud played on people.-Buck
Yes, and thanks
be to the Unified Field for the States
Attorneys Generals out there doing the good work of
protecting us all
as the larger and civic [meditating] community from bad
people doing bad things.
-Buck
Mjackson74
writes:I'd
just as soon "invest" my money with Ed
Beckley.
There
have been a bunch of them there in Fairfield,
haven't
there? My favorite TM business scam story to date is one
that someone shared here right after I first began
posting
on FFL about the Movement asking for
"investors"
to create an ayurvedic clinic there in Fairfield and the
investors would get their money back, plus profit
sharing
and discounts on products and services - and the minute
the
Movement had the money the immediately reneged on the
deal,
saying all the "investors" would be re-payed
only
with the discounts - no profits, no return of initial
investments, nothing! My favorite!
Duveyoung
writes:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re:
Fairfield Venture Fund
Telegroup? I would think
they'd beashamed to even mention the
name. Crooks, liars andthieves sure love to do
highfalutin' sounding enterprises.
Is this another
one?
Sorry guys, maybe your intents are pure, but look at the
track history of "faith-based" businesses in
Fairfield -- if you're not going to address all the
failures -- especially of the businesses that seemingly
toed
the movement line, then, hey, you're just
bullshitting
us.
How'z about someone in this new group explains how
USAGlobalLink failed, or how it was okay for Kaplan to
"steal" the business of Reading's Fun from
a
former partner or how Telegroup [ITG] "just made up
their
advice" to their customers in order to churn the
accounts?
BAH!
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