Jesus Christ! That's like saying wonder how blue the sky would be if I had not
gotten out of bed at 6 am? Wonder how many people would eat a steak tonight If
I had not bought that porterhouse at the store? it is nonsense. If as Sal has
said they could show a SIGNIFICANT drop in ANYTHING besides their asses on the
foam, it would mean something - just a straight deal, no mumbo jumbo, so
jimmying the numbers just do program and see what's what. but as they always
do, they have to dummy shit up to make TM appear to be fabulous so they can
sell it. Like Barry said, if TM was as claimed, they wouldn't have to lie to
sell it.
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On Thu, 4/3/14, authfri...@yahoo.com <authfri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Research Shows Group Meditation Can Reduce Crime
Rates
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 3, 2014, 1:08 PM
Salyavin, I posted a link to the study. Have a
look at it, please, in particular the explanation of the
methodology. It's a lot more complicated than you think
to determine whether the rate actually went down during the
study period. The issue is whether, in the absence of the
meditating group, the violent crime rate would have been
what the researchers projected it to be statistically, or
what it actually was with the meditating
group.
Then read
the rebuttal to the Skeptical Inquirer article
and tell me the author came at the research "from a position
of wanting it to be true and looking for
confirmation."
And please note,
Lawson is the one saying the results of this study were
"ambiguous." Shame on the TM critics who
repeatedly try to portray him as a "cult
apologist." He is far more objective than you
are.
Ambiguous
is as good as false. When you look at the actual US
government data for the year, broken down week by week, you
can't see any drops in crime levels, sure there are dips
all over the place but the one in August is no bigger than
the one in March so if you are claiming that coherence
causes crime rates to drop then who was meditating in
March.
And the
crime rate dropped significantly more the next year due to
changes in policing and gentrification. It's all on the
government website.
The thing
about sceptics is we almost always originally come at
paranormal research from a position of wanting it to be true
and looking for confirmation. That's true for me and
Susan Blackmore and any amount of people from CISCOP.
It's only the constant failure of of world to confirm
whether it has provided us with any paranormal abilities to
measure that gives rise to what you may think is a narrow
minded sceptic.
I still
hope for the best though, but the TMO could make it easier
by making the crime rate fall beyond the level by which they
naturally fluctuate. An easily noted 80% drop for instance,
that'd be more convincing. I convert for
evidence.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <LEnglish5@...>
wrote :
Teh
statistic was skewed. For one week, the homicide rate was
double the average. THAT was what was picked up by the press
and extrapolated for the entire 8 week period.
True Believers want the research to be true
Skeptics are often as desperate to be sure that it is false.
The reality is that the study was ambiguous,
IMHO.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...>
wrote :
Judy, I don't
remember the details but that it was a national concern at
the time on all the national news programs. It sure seems
that there were more than just ten homicides. Might have
been ten homicides
and ten or twenty non lethal
shootings in addition. On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 5:10 PM,
"authfriend@..." <authfriend@...> wrote:
This is a bit misleading, Mike.
Rates of aggravated assault and rape decreased significantly
from what would have been expected over the period of the
study. Robberies stayed about the same. And the homicide
rate (around 10 per week) over the eight weeks of the study
was also about the same as "normal." There was a
"spike" of 10 homicides over one 36-hour period
(there apparently was some sort of gang battle), but the
following week there were only 4 homicides. So it evened out
statistically. You just happened to be there the week of the
"spike."
I think "shootings"
would be included in the "aggravated assault"
category; that rate declined significantly over the course
of the study.
One would, of course, have hoped
that the homicide rate would have decreased, but no joy.
OTOH, the homicide rate didn't increase, contrary
to what some reporters claimed.
Here's the text of the study
as published in Social
Indicators Research::
http://www.istpp.org/crime_prevention/
Here's an article by one of
the study's authors rebutting a very sloppy article
attempting to debunk the study in Skeptical
Inquirer:
http://istpp.org/crime_prevention/voodoo_rebuttal.html
It
addresses the 36-hour homicide spike in some
detail.
I took
my *flying* block in DC during the big campaign there.
There was a huge spike in murders and shootings at the
time. I guess the TM explanation was, *well you should have
seen what it would have been like had we not been
there.* On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 1:27 AM, nablusoss1008
<no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Along
with the mounting medical evidence of the various health
benefits of meditation, research shows group meditation can
actually reduce crime rates in the greater
population.http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/research-shows-group-meditation-can-reduce-crime-rates/
