Steve, pretty funny that in the midst of all these Soma and the Gods posts, I received an ad with Subject line: This stuff is God in a bottle!
On Thursday, April 3, 2014 6:41 AM, "steve.sun...@yahoo.com" <steve.sun...@yahoo.com> wrote: Am I missing something, because isn't that what the 10th mandala is about in just about every verse. So even though it's been some 20 plus years since I listened to it, that's my recollection. Evidently that is something the Vedas concern themselves with. Do you consider this revelation? I guess you do. Are you are trying to paint it as some strange ritual where people splay themselves out and cry, "Indra, eat me, eat me!" If so, I must have missed that. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : I just found it interesting - as I said I think, somehow this particular document had escaped my attention. I was told during the sidhi prep courses that we produce soma in the stomach and only if we have soma being produced can we have experiences of "higher" states of consciousness. That's what the governors who taught the courses told us and those would be Greg Palma, Walter Gibbons and Paul Potter (for those here who love to have sources quoted). But nothing was ever said about the gods eating it and giving us blessings as a result. I had no idea such a tape existed and I wanted to hear from the TM teachers here to see if they had seen the tape and what they thought of it at the time they saw it. That's all. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 4/3/14, steve.sundur@... <steve.sundur@...> wrote: > >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Soma and the Gods >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Date: Thursday, April 3, 2014, 3:49 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >You know >Michael, I wish I knew more about Soma, about the Vedas, >about the Vedic Gods. But I don't. There are some >who think it is all a bunch of jibberish. I think >Barry may be in this camp, and I hope I am not >misrepresenting him. >But I >do generally have respect for ancient traditions. And >I think most traditions have a more superficial aspect and a >deeper, hidden aspect. I think the teachings of Jesus show >this as well. > >What >you relate about Maharishi's comments about Soma being >produced in the gut, and God's feasting on it, >doesn't really strike me as that strange. I think >it's probably standard stuff in some schools of >Hinduism. But do you really think they needed this to >try to make a case of Hindu roots for TM? I mean the >Puja could probably make that case. And that is hardly >hidden. >And I >guess you could parse whether the Mantras have meaning or >meaningless, but for whatever reason, and in some way, the >technique has worked for many people, and still works for >people who are just now learning it. >And I >believe at some point early in the movement it was discussed >whether to bring it out as a religious practice, or a >scientific one. Obviously the scientific approach won >out. But of course the Hindu, or religious overtones >are there. On the other hand, so what. > > > >---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> >wrote : > >Somehow in my >looking at TM, I have always missed this - any of you guys >ever see this tape? If so what did you think of it? > > > >"Soma and the Gods" > >On the next Web page begins the transcription of "Soma >and the Gods" taken from testimony in the Kropinski >trial. This videotape is one of a handful that have become >infamous in the TM movement because of their secrecy: It is >only shown to TM teachers on the heavily regimented Teacher >Training Course (TTC). For many years copies of this tape >were not even allowed to enter the continental US. > > > >For good reason! Much like the Church of Scientology's >OT materials, "Soma and the Gods" lays out the >Maharishi's freakish theology in a way that the public >is not deemed "ready" for by the Maharishi and the >movement. > > > >According to participants in the Kropinski trial, this tape >-- along with the entire TTC catalog -- appeared >mysteriously on someone's doorstep one day. Since then >the tape has been used by plaintiffs in court cases to prove >that the TM movement had a religious, specifically Hindu, >agenda -- largely because it's one of the few times the >Maharishi was captured on tape talking about worshipping the >Vedic Gods. (Of course today, the TM movement sells Hindu >sacrifices, yagyas or yajnas, to Ganesh, Lakshmi, and other >Gods for thousands of dollars without batting an eye!) > > > >But the true significance of "Soma and the Gods" >is much larger. And the theology that the Maharishi espouses >is not Hinduism. It is much more idiosyncratic -- and >frankly bizarre. > > > >In a nutshell, the Maharishi describes a sort of parasitic >relationship between TMers and the Vedic Gods. TMers produce >the magical chemical Soma in their gut -- but it isn't >something they can use directly. The Vedic Gods, principally >Indra, descend from Heaven and feed on the Soma in the >TMers' belly. In return for this primitive relationship, >the Gods grant all manner of boons. TMers become successful, >happy, prosperous, and develop supernormal abilities. > > > >Unbeknownst to non-TM teachers, the entire TM program can be >understood through this simple model. > > > >We practice yogic asanas and pranayama to clear the channels >through which Soma will flow. We repeat the name of our own >personal "Ishta" (God) to summon Him or Her. >Advanced TMers practice the sidhis to "stir" the >Soma and further clear channels. We read verses from the >Ninth Mandala that literally invite the Gods by name to >feast on the Soma in our belly: "Flow, Soma, in a most >sweet and exhilirating stream, effused for Indra to >drink.... Be the lavish giver of wealth, most bounteous, the >destroyer of enemies, bestow on us the riches of the >affluent." And we take Ayurvedic potions and pills >believing we will produce "extra" or "more >refined" soma. > > > >An anecdote from a former Maharishi International University >(MIU/MUM) professor: > > > >When I was on MIU faculty, there was a special videotape >that only faculty were privy to. It was the Ninth Mandala, >chanted in the original Sanskrit. Sitting with eyes closed, >listening to it was considered a great privilege and was >highly secret. > > > >On my Governor Training Course, after we had rounded and >rounded and rounded for three months, MMY [the Maharishi] >finally called to answer our questions. I asked what we >should expect from endlessly reading the Ninth Mandala of >the Rig Veda and I never forgot his reply: "It will >become a living reality." > > > >To my knowledge, this fairly frightening vision is the >Maharishi's alone. > > > >The Rig and Sama Vedas themselves describe the process of >making a beverage, soma, by grinding and brewing a certain >medicinal plant -- or alternatively by feeding a plant to a >cow and then imbibing either its milk or urine. James >Allegro speculated some years back that soma was actually >the hallucinogenic mushroom amanita muscara, a prevalent >inebriator among all Aryan cultures. Perhaps. But even in >modern day India, there are hotris who perform the Soma >sacrifice using the humble soma plant, and imbibing the >juice. > > > >Nowhere in all of Vedic literature have we found a single >reference to soma as a substance produced in the human >stomach and fed upon by Gods. Except this product of the >Maharishi's imagination. > > > >Many sources from the inner circles of the TM movement have >already reported on the Maharishi's preoccupation with >the influence of other people's thoughts (stress), >purity of food (genetic engineering), and apparent >preoccupation with "enemies" (re: the CIA and >AMA). The unforgettable image of ravening Gods jostling each >other to feed at the stomachs of TMers around the world to >get their share of the mythical Soma seems a conclusive >indication that TM theology may simply be the by-product >delusion of the Maharishi's seriously distrubed >mind.
