--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > Your "research" is done by TBs within the org. and published by its
> > own journals - 
> 
> Pubmed doesn't list any TMO journal. The Esalen Institute isn't a TMO 
> affiliate. 

I'm assuming Esalen didn't conduct all these studies, but are
summarizing the results of studies conducted by others.  Do they give
a publication source for each study?  I'll try to take a look at it
this weekend.  Thanks for the link.
 
> every group has stories of its accomplishments and
> > superiority.  Your group's philosophy values subjective experiences 
> of
> > "witnessing" and breath suspension and so that's what the stories
> > focus on.  Other groups may not value those at all within its 
> concept
> > of enlightenment.  
> > 
> > The one TM study that clearly meets objective research criteria and
> > that I think everyone would view as a positive benefit is reduction 
> of
> > blood pressure.
> 
> Hmmmm. You're familiar with all TM studies?

No probably not, but I've consistently read all the PR they've put out
for decades and I can't remember any study mentioned done by a non-MUM
professor, most published by the TMO.  Even though the blood pressure
stuff is done by a MUM professor (Schneider), it's being published by
a very reputable journal.  I don't mean to be too tough on tmo
research as I'm sure some is genuine, but the appearance is that it's
now a subdivision of the marketing dept.
 
> > There are innumerable studies showing physiological changes 
> associated
> > with a whole variety of mental practices.
> >
> 
> As I mentioned earlier, the Esalen Institute has a summary of 4 
> thousand meditation studies. Less than 20% of them concern TM.

Oh, I thot you were saying only TM has research, but I guess you were
saying only TM has research results that you see associated with
enlightenment, rather just some physiological change ...???








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