On 4/9/2014 10:25 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
Duh.
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It looks like the answer is in - we can't even agree on the definition of what meditation is. Go figure.

Let's rephrase my request:

We all think and have thoughts and everyone meditates on something every day. But, how could a thought alter a person's physiological system? If anyone could demonstrate this ability, it would be compared to Copernicus' scientific discoveries. If we could change at will the physical or biological system, just by thinking certain thoughts, we could use that technique to make people well and free from disease.

So, can anybody cite a scientific reference to a person ever being able to alter their physiological system by just thinking certain thoughts? Rama levitation events and the Indian rope trick don't count.


---In [email protected], <punditster@...> wrote :

    On 4/9/2014 1:03 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
    Well, a lot of evidence suggests that schizophrenia can become
    worse with stress, so even in schizophrenics, TM, under proper
    supervision, might be beneficial to at least some people.

    I don't buy it. Sure, TM might be good at lowering stress levels
    in most people but it does this by altering how the brain, and
    consequently the mind, actually works.
    >
    TM is based on thinking - so following your logic, if I think, I
    would be altering how my brain and consequently, my mind, actually
    works.

    Can someone put up the definition of "TM" so we can see what
    exactly we are doing when we meditate, and so we can isolate any
    thoughts that might alter our brain and our mind? Or, define TM in
    such a way as to bring our attention to what happens when we are
    not thinking, and how this would be of any good. Any help in
    learning this logic would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.


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