You are wrong in assuming that all this stems from what you have called my gullibility. It doesn't. And it does matter if the people committing crimes are doing TM. Especially when they make the claims for TM that they make. If Ann, you choose to have a hands off attitude toward the Movement when they are actively abusing people, that's your business, but don't expect the rest of us the bury our heads in the sand along with you. I won't do it. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 4/17/14, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: If the siddhis were real, here's a typical day in the life of a MSAE kid. To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, April 17, 2014, 1:33 PM ---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote : "Part of your mission I think you said once."Like the rest of the most heavy "critics here, the Turq and MJ.But unlike the two others Edg has been OK for quite awhile now. Guess he is off medication again. ---In [email protected], <steve.sundur@...> wrote : Wow, the actual story of the rapist turns out to be quite a bit different than it was first portrayed by Edg, doesn't it, a least as it attempts to implicate the TMO in this offense. And I guess the paragraphs that follow, and which contain absolutely nothing new, are meant to make up for this lack. You sort of have a habit of doing this, I've observed, Edg. Part of your mission I think you said once. I still marvel at those who believed, lock, stock and barrel, that TM was going to magically make anyone better than human, was going to bring about worldwide peace, was going to eradicate all greed, pettiness or impropriety in those who practiced it. Who believed that stuff? Truly, how naive can these/you people have been? And then to bellyache and whine for the next three decades and point to every aberrational thing that TM'ers did and still do. C'mon people, were you all born yesterday in some turnip patch? Get a grip, and I have said this before to MJ, take responsibility for where you took it all too literally then are disappointed when you realize you should have added about a shaker of salt to it all. I am amazed that some of you take the time and effort to point out these ridiculous examples of how TM doesn't work - somebody was "making out" with Domash, people reserved seats at meetings, so and so tried to commit suicide, someone else ripped off a bunch of people in some investment scheme. THESE ARE PEOPLE, PEOPLE DO THIS STUFF AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO IT UNTIL THE END OF TIME. It doesn't matter if they are practicing TM, are vegan, work for MacDonald's or play in the Chicago Symphony. The only thing that will end how the human race operates is death. At that time all pettiness and human foibles will cease, until then, we will be surrounded by this crazy circus called humanity. ---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote : I believe, (not certain,) the rapist was the guy who built (or bought) the first dome house built in the FF area...just north on Pleasant Plain Rd....circa 1982ish? Steve? was his name.....would break into houses, rape and leave.....in cities all over Iowa...could be I'm remembering it wrongly, but some guy went to prison for serial rape. Don't know if he ever had a flying badge. Truth be told, the movement's history is thoroughly bespattered with offenses petty and grave done by those who got to hobnob with the uppers -- our betters by dint of bank account. And the lower staff too would leverage any bureaucratic power -- the course office folks, for instance, came across to me as quite twisted in their vibe. Too, the leaders were dumped suddenly and without explanations -- regularly ticked and tocked off no matter their reps with us minions. What? Our widely adored God Conscious Jerry Jarvis suddenly was just not up to being life-supporting in his role for the movement? Hmmmm, toughie to explain why Maharishi didn't magically see Jerry for what he was and would become, or that the technique failed to evolve him. Or what? Meanwhile a FF woman set herself on fire because of "love." Elsewhen, in a small meeting, a would be apostate faux guru slapped a woman across the face -- and that audience hardly flinched at that "therapy." The TMO history is freckled with those with good reputations and supposed spiritual heights who simply had bad luck -- their plane crashed while on a mission for Maharishi, their 20 million dollar company folds despite doing everything movementish, or they just dropped dead while young and well intended -- their good heartedness and charity and one-pointedness did exactly jack shit for them. In general, the poor stay poor, and the rich feel more evolved. And let's not forget those who taped off the first three rows of seats in virtually every meeting that Maharishi attended, and no one was ever told how to become someone important enough to sit in those areas....but I did see intiators seemingly saving seats for their families, and the rich always sat close or even on stage, etc. One never had to look at the movement too hard to spot how individuals cut every corner if their ego simply asserted it was okay to do it -- second thoughts be damned. My sister-in-law made out with Domesh in the back of a meeting with only 15 people in it -- I saw them. We're talking french kissing for fuck's sake. Everyone is a monkey brained rationalist. Who reading this has not heard DOZENS of stories of "long-time, devoted," TMers doing some seriously fucked up shit -- every sort of financial chicanery, the whole spectrum of infidelities, the small company potentates, the throngs packing meetings thrown by carpet-bagging magicians coming to town and siphoning off the TMers on the fringe of their true-believerism due to decades of abuse. Fairfield roils with iniquity. TM does not affect personality or morality. Nope. It. Does. Not. And we're gunna die -- pretty damned soon. Ready for it? My prediction: Ego process ceases, and any soul's individuality or ownership of a certain history dissolves into unfixable entropy -- only God could can remember every iota of any and all -- there's the only residual of existence possible for souls after the body goes poof -- as faint possibilities in the back of God's mind. And every day I was in the movement, I did the same immoral shit in my spheres of influence. We all do and did. TM did not save us from ourselves. Our shit was not gotten together. The organization to teach Esperanto is more successful in creating world peace -- bigger organization, better funded, thousands of offices. TMO did jack comparatively. And half the Beatles died young with personal histories replete with turmoil. Where's the beef? Where's the fucking beef? Who seems plump? Somebody's got the money, right? And yet I would not stay anyone about to sit and meditate -- no matter the provenance of the mantras used. Edg
