"That was Maharishi's thing: to assert that enlightened people (meeting his definition) were going to be perfect in some way." Never heard him say that. Better as before E, as in free of attachments, more happiness and wiser, but perfect, never.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <LEnglish5@...> wrote : Well, "enlightened" is such a vague term. Fred Travis' studies on enlightened TMers (preliminary CC) don't assert that they are perfect, only that they report a certain kind of internal "experience" and that there is a physiological pattern associated with the self-reports. It says nothing about whether they are correct in everything that they do. That was Maharishi's thing: to assert that enlightened people (meeting his definition) were going to be perfect in some way. As for spin-doctoring, this assertion from you has no basis in fact, but is merely your desire to show that Maharishi was a bad person, rather than merely wrong about something: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : How can that be if he was enlightened? And what part of my erudite writing do you feel is spin doctored? -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 4/27/14, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... <LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmachari Girish Varma Ji is to be praised To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 27, 2014, 4:03 PM The most likely cause of the deaths is that Ayurveda, Maharishi or otherwise, isn't as perfect as Maharishi thought it was. The rest is spin-doctoring on your part. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : Refined mercury is not used in every single ayurvedic formula for every ailment under the sun. Given the fact that lots of terminally ill patients with various kinds of ailments went to this clinic, it is unlikely that every formula used called for mercury and as you know ayurveda doesn't just rely on herbal formulas - there are a lot of techniques that traditional ayurved uses that don't involve herbs at all such as oil pulling routines. On Sun, 4/27/14, nablusoss1008 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmachari Girish Varma Ji is to be praised To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 27, 2014, 12:16 PM Ayurved has some very powerful tools for boosting the immunesystem and for rejuvenation. Triguna was behind the efforts for terminally ill patients so the question is why it wasn't more successful. From what I've heard it boils down to the failure in purifying mercury which is vital in many of the recipy's. Maharishi through millions on this particular project and had top Vaidyas working on this since early 80's in Seelisberg. The day that is safely possible Ayurveda will revamp medicine. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <LEnglish5@...> wrote : You know as much as I do: they built this massive 5-star facility that was The Raj on steroids, and invited terminal patients from all over the world to come and get cured. They died. Virtually all of them died. Not surprising since only the absolute, most hopeless cases were supposed to come in the first place as their last hope. It was meant to show the utter superiority of Maharishi Ayurveda Done Right™ to the World. And... They died. Virtually all of them died. End of story. Maharishi told the Movement to just "walk away" from such a place of death and they did. The place is now just ruins. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : I have never heard this story of the failure of TM ayurveda - got any details? -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 4/26/14, LEnglish5@... <LEnglish5@...> wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brahmachari Girish Varma Ji is to be praised To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 26, 2014, 5:15 PM I don't speak any Indian language, but none of the English reports I have seen (including the links below) say that Girish has that kind of wealth, only that he is part of a 12-member committee that has control of that wealth (12,000 acres). And of course, if you actually look at the figures, the estimates of how much the land is worth is obviously exaggerated: the largest single item is the old Maharishi Ayurveda complex which now lies in utter disrepair. In its hey-day, it was meant to be The Raj on a grand scale: a complex of hospitals and hostels with 3200 5-star hotel rooms meant to provide an absolutely nourishing environment for those unfortunate people who were deemed "terminal" by Western medicine but could be saved due to the miraculous superiority of Ayurvedic treatments. When the masses of terminally ill patients did what Western treatment said would happened, and died by the thousands, Maharishi told the TM movement to "walk away" from the halls of death (or words to that effect) and the complex fell into complete ruin. It ain't worth $1.5 billion and there's no way it will ever be because it wasn't built as a 5-star *resort* but as a 5-star *hospital* and there's no way 3200 tourists at-a-time are going to want to pay 5-star prices to say in that particular region for any length of time. Without the promised miracle cures of Ayurveda, it is a completely worthless venture. L
