--- In [email protected], cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], cardemaister > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], cardemaister > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, pay attention to the position > > > > > > > of your tongue at(?) the 'nn' when you pronounce > > > > > > > "runner"? How'd you describe it? > > > > > > > > > > > > With the tip of the tongue a little behind the teeth. > > > > > > > > > > Oh? How is your tongue when you pronounce 'r', then? > > > > > > > > Hard to describe. The sides of the tongue > > > > are against the upper molars, and the front > > > > of the tongue forms a sort of little dish, with > > > > the tip turned up a bit. The tongue doesn't > > > > touch the roof of the mouth at all. > > > > > > > > > > That's almost exactly what I thought. > > > > > > > > > > Where did you think the tongue would be with > > > > the "nn"?? > > > > > > "Lazyness" of pronunciation is typical for Finnish, > > > so perhaps that's why I thought it might be left > > > to the same position where it is when one pronounces > > > the r-sound. If that was the case then it would > > > resemble Sanskrit cerebral aka retroflex n-sound. > > > > I have no idea what the Sanskrit sound is that you're > > referring to, but I don't understand what you think > > would be making the "nn" sound in "running" if the > > tongue was in the same position as with the "r." > > When non-Indian people imitate the pronuncitation
Oops! Pronunciation... > of people from India, I think the retroflex "t" > and "n" are the most useful "tools" to get that effect. > You just pronounce the "normal" n-sound or t-sound > with the tip of your tongue slightly curved back > towards the palate. > Try for instance to pronounce "time" like that and > I think you'll get the typical Indian pronuncitation. > IMO it sounds almost like "dime". > > > > > If the tip of the tongue stayed in the same place > > but the back of the tongue moved up to touch > > the palate, you'd have something like "runger." > > > > Otherwise, it would be only the vowel that changed, > > so you'd have "ruh-er." Is that what you thought? > > > > It's odd how difficult it is to describe what the > > tongue does without a specialized terminology! > > I think it's more due to my lack of vocabulary, and stuff. > Sometimes when I read for instance a couple of days > afterwards, what I've been writing > even in my native language, I must concentrate to > understand what the heck I've been talking about. :) > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
