But Curtis, you already have some big filters: one, and imo the most 
significant one, that it's preferable to come to a new experience as filter 
free as possible. Shouldn't we challenge this belief too?

And two, don't you already have some significant filters about mindfulness 
simply from reading about it here and elsewhere? Not to mention, from all your 
experiences and beliefs around TM? 


And Richard, how can we possibly separate belief and practice completely? I 
don't think we can simply because we don't live our lives with our heads cut 
off from our bodies!

On Thursday, May 1, 2014 10:39 PM, "[email protected]" 
<[email protected]> wrote:
 
  
I believe this is what Sam Harris is advocating, separating the practices from 
the beliefs. I do not believe all meditations lead to the same mental states. 
TM has never been taught this way through the organization so I guess we don't 
know what innocent TM practice would be like.Even after dropping the beliefs my 
TM practice was influenced by what I had previously believed about it. Shaping 
our beliefs about the practice was a huge priority for Maharishi.

I am hoping to enjoy mindfulness sitting with less concept clutter. Of course I 
can only be marginally successful with this goal, but I am not presently 
reading a bunch of stuff about it yet. Someday I'm sure I will, but I would 
like some more "less filtered" experience first. This is pretty much the 
reverse of how I approached TM.



---In [email protected], <punditster@...> wrote :


On 5/1/2014 9:43 PM, curtisdeltablues@... wrote:


>>
>>It's all the same Unified Field once you get going.
>>
>>C: Although Sam Harris practices a form of meditation that came
from the Buddhist traditions  he does not self identify himself
as a Buddhist.
>
>The concepts and practices of "Buddhism", according to Stephen
Batchelor, are not something to believe in but something to
do. It is a practice that we can all engage in,
regardless of our background or beliefs, as we live every day on the
path to spiritual enlightenment. 
>
>Basic TM is Buddhist yoga - it may be that MMY should have left it
at that and retired back in 1955 instead of muddying the waters, so
to speak. Basic TM should be able to stand on its own. That's what I
think.
>
>Recommended:
>
>'Buddhism Without Beliefs: A Contemporary Guide to Awakening'
>by Stephen Batchelor
>Riverhead Trade, 1998
>
>
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