--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > >>   'Failure' -  Death causes Rebirth
> > > > > > I don't get it; death will always cause rebirth. Why is 
> > > > > > that a failure?
> > > > > 
> > > > > When asked about reincarnation, Maharishi used to 
say, "I'm 
> > > > > opposed to it." 
> > > > 
> > > > And, "Its for the ignorant."
> > > 
> > > Or for Bodhisattvas, who care more about other sentient
> > > beings than they do about dwelling in eternal bliss, a
> > > concept that seems to have escaped Maharishi completely.
> > 
> > Bodhisattvas, don't dwell in eternal bliss, regardless?
> 
> They undoubtedly do, just not in "drop returns to the
> ocean mode."  More like work your ass off for the people
> incarnation after incarnation while dwelling in eternal 
> bliss (or not...what does it matter if your intent is 
> to help people) mode.  
> 
> Suffice it to say that some Buddhists think of those who 
> want to dissolve back into the absolute as spiritual
> slackers.  :-)
>
I am enjoying all of the riffs off my original question. In any 
case, I am still curious why rebirth following death is seen as a 
failure? 

Though it might be a case outside the *assumed* definitions of death 
and rebirth (i.e. multiple physical lives), I am thinking about a 
technique I employ for a mundane purpose, that of getting enough 
sleep at night.

Sometimes after going to bed, or after waking during the night, I 
will still my mind in order to allow my autonomic nervous system to 
take over and put me back to sleep. I've noticed that when I still 
my mind, one of the things to go away is any thought of "I" or 
reference to "I". Because there is nothing to identify with at all, 
I will experience a momentary fear before moving into sleep. It is 
like death in that way. And then I awaken a few hours later, as 
myself, having slept well.

Similarly, to gain enlightenment we go through a process of death, 
then rebirth, from the inside out. That, and the previous example, 
both entail a death and rebirth. Yet neither are a failure. This is 
the context of my original question. 





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