The two FF suicides with which I'm more familiar did not have contact with people on campus.
On Sunday, May 25, 2014 11:18 AM, "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: go on campus and get real - that's where the True Believers are ________________________________ From: "Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another suicide in FF Michael, you obviously have not been to Fairfield in a long time if you think there are *TONS* of long term TMers here who are what turq calls TBers. It's simply not the case. And why? IMO because TM increases field independence! By its very nature, TM prevents the creation of TBers and a cult. Go figure! On Sunday, May 25, 2014 10:03 AM, "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Yes, it is true that from the outset the vision of possibilities offered was an Ideal Society, Full Potential, etc. But who, at any time did not put that in some kind of perspective and make an internal adjustment of what was actually possible, and what was laid out as grand plan. And as has been mentioned previously, the founder of the movement, may have believed that it was possible. Steve, you are truly living with blinders on if you do not realize and recognize there are TONS of people who swallow the TMO's schtick hook, line and sinker - lots of them live and work at MUM. They are the ones who were so shocked when the pundits rioted a few weeks ago. ________________________________ From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another suicide in FF ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote : I've been staying out of this, and will continue to do so, but I have to point out the eagerness with which several people have pounced on the brain injury/coma thing. It's almost as if you can feel them relax and say to themselves, "Whew! There is some kind of *excuse* that I can glom onto so that I don't have to deal with the possibility that this is yet another in a rather long list of TM movement suicides, and thus a potential source of cognitive dissonance for me. It's good to have this excuse, so I don't have to 'go there'." I guess you're are doing what what most extreme partisans do. You play whatever side of the issue suits you at the time. And then, if it were to suit you to play a different side, you'd flip the argument. Ignore the obvious fact, that there are mitigating circumstances and assume that anyone who factors in the injury and coma is just doing so to deflect some other issue. What you conveniently miss, is that it was Michael who from the outset was the one glomming onto a cause. >From my staying-out-of-it-so-far point of view Michael is not overreacting to >Yet Another Suicide by implying that it is linked with TM any more than >several others here are knee-jerk overreacting to the same suicide by implying >that it is not. It is absolutely LUDICROUS to pretend that TM has not promised >a world and a society in which problems simply cannot happen. It is similarly >LUDICROUS to pretend that anyone who does develop emotional problems within a >TM-only community will be provided adequate mental health care for them. It >has never happened and it will never happen, because providing the care in the first place will be perceived by those in charge as "having doubts" about TM being the panacea they believe it is. Yes, it is true that from the outset the vision of possibilities offered was an Ideal Society, Full Potential, etc. But who, at any time did not put that in some kind of perspective and make an internal adjustment of what was actually possible, and what was laid out as grand plan. And as has been mentioned previously, the founder of the movement, may have believed that it was possible. And it is quite an assumption you make about seeking outside intervention to help with emotional issues. You might as well admit, that you have no idea if this is true, having left the movement over 40 years ago. Doesn't that sound a little ridiculous! ________________________________ From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 6:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another suicide in FF Michael, to the rest of the world, the fact that he sustained a serious brain injury two years ago, puts the whole issue in a different light, whether you wish to acknowledge this or not. You have amply demonstrated that you are capable of tying TM to most any negative event, whether it makes sense or not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : Given the fact that it comes about a year after another siddha suicide and on the heels of many other suicides and attempted suicides by siddhas and governors, I think the whole thing needs to be looked at squarely and honestly. I won't be silenced about this. Of all the crap there is about the disconnect between what Marshy and the Movement advertise and the reality of what they and TM actually deliver, this bother me the most. If you don't want to deal with it Feste, then don't, but I won't be silent about this. ________________________________ From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 10:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another suicide in FF The post from Sheer-el from when he was an MSAE student was about 10 years ago, I think. He did suffer a serious injury about two years ago. He was in a coma for a while, I believe. I did hear that it was some kind of brain injury. I wonder if that injury affected him in some way that no one knew about. This is a tragedy for the family and for Fairfield. I do think that people should not use it on this board to push their anti-TM views. It's not appropriate, particularly as we know nothing of the circumstances in this case. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <geezerfreak@...> wrote : >>>> >>>>Sheer-el Cohen. He was employed at the Raj. Apparently this happened >>>>yesterday. >>>> >>>> >>>>http://www.8000now.com/audiotext/Sheer-elCohenText.htm >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
