--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > snip > > > > > Mebbe so, but what TMer has not experienced the lessening of > > breath > > > > (which subsumes lessening of oxygen consumption), so it's a just > > a > > > > measurement problem -- it's not false that oxygen consumption is > > > > significantly lower in TM. > > > > > > > @@@@@@@ > > > > > > Exactly, Bobananda. However, it would be indistinguishably lower > > than if you were just > > > sitting with eyes closed. > > > > > > L B S>>> > > > > > > I have never in my life had anything like the experience of breath > > suspension that I get from TM, by just sitting with my eyes closed. > > The two are ENTIRELY different states of physiology, and if someone > > measures me when I am in that state of breath suspension they will > > wonder how my body is maintianed. There are yogi's who can sustain > > it for days, with VERY low oxygen consumption. Mine is unstable and > > I cannot cause it at will, but it is the same thing in lesser form. > > > > OffWorld > > &&&&&&&& > > You may be correct in this. My response to Bobananda was a sweeping overgeneralization > in that I was only referring to the average readings. > > Breath suspension may be unique to meditation. I can't speak to this definitively because I > don't know if there is research on the possibility or extent of breath suspension among > those who just sit quietly with eyes closed. > > L B S > >
True. Point taken. Well said. I have done one study. Unpublished as yet. For my whole life growing up as a child and an adult I have never experienced breath suspension whilst sitting or lying with my eyes closed. However in the last few years only (not when I first learned TM, or for many years after) I have experienced my breathing stopping for prolonged periods without any recovery necessary. I sometimes think I must be about to die. But then breathing starts again gently. This is my one case study of sitting with eyes closed, compared to TM lractice or transcending associated with TM. Anyone else had this? OffWorld ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
