--- In [email protected], "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "L B Shriver" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > snip > > > > > Mebbe so, but what TMer has not experienced the lessening of > > breath > > > > (which subsumes lessening of oxygen consumption), so it's a just > > a > > > > measurement problem -- it's not false that oxygen consumption is > > > > significantly lower in TM. > > > > > > > @@@@@@@ > > > > > > Exactly, Bobananda. However, it would be indistinguishably lower > > than if you were just > > > sitting with eyes closed. > > > > > > L B S>>> > > > > > > I have never in my life had anything like the experience of breath > > suspension that I get from TM, by just sitting with my eyes closed. > > The two are ENTIRELY different states of physiology, and if someone > > measures me when I am in that state of breath suspension they will > > wonder how my body is maintianed. There are yogi's who can sustain > > it for days, with VERY low oxygen consumption. Mine is unstable and > > I cannot cause it at will, but it is the same thing in lesser form. > > > > OffWorld > > &&&&&&&& > > You may be correct in this. My response to Bobananda was a sweeping overgeneralization > in that I was only referring to the average readings. > > Breath suspension may be unique to meditation. I can't speak to this definitively because I > don't know if there is research on the possibility or extent of breath suspension among > those who just sit quietly with eyes closed. >
It can happen with people just sitting quietly, but not for very long. Amongst people meditating, it isn't noticed unless it lasts for more than a few seconds. ONe assumes that that is the case for non- meditators also. BTW, the researchers were not looking for people reporting breath suspension and no-one said to them "oh, I stopped breathing." They were asking for subjects who were having clear experiences of transcending and the breath suspension state was the most obvious thing correlated with reports of transcending. I'm also wondering at people on FFL who are reporting breath suspension during TM since one of the things that the researchers noticed was that the EEG, breathing, etc., returned to normal for several seconds before pressing the button to signal that they noted transcending. IOW, they didn't notice samadhi until they were no longer in samadhi. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
