--- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- Irmeli Mattsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > My opinion: A concept that you cannot define > > shouldn't be used at all > > untill you can define it. > > Of course, I agree. The problem comes in when the > concepts one is attempting to define entail > experiences outside of the waking state mind. If these > experiences have not occured you're left with an empty > concept. For example. MMY talks about pure > consciousness as unbounded. For years my mind thought > of unboundedness as spatially big. In enlightenment > one would "fill the cosmos". It's natural to think > this because in our waking state experience boundaries > cut space up into sections. Remove the boundaries and > you have a really big space. I even had experiences of > filling up the cosmos to varying degrees. But once the > foundational shift occured from a self to a no-self, > it became rather obvious what MMY was talking about > when he says, "unbounded", and it has nothing to do > with space or time. Many of the enlightenment concepts > that I thought I understood can only make true sense > within their phenomenological domain/condition. In > waking state they are empty and usually create > confusion. >
***** Clearly it is futile to discuss these issues with you. With my waking state reality I just cannot comprehend you. Just bits and pieces, but the whole picture doesn't cohere. I'm fully happy with my waking state reality. I couldn't handle more just know. And if you are happy with your enlightenment, so what's the problem. Maybe the only problem is that I feel you cannot understand what I'm trying to communicate and I cannot understand what you are saying. And that is a pity, because it is a joy when you can share something you feel is important with somebody else. But between us there is clearly a wall, and it is stupid to go on hitting your head against the wall in trying to get through. Although that is really not that bad, because we both have many other people we can satisfyingly share our thoughts with. Irmeli ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
