Tolle just kind of popped into this state and then sat around on park benches for about two years before he began to function in it. Jiddu Krishnamurti also just seemed to slide into this state. So these people can talk about it, but seem to have trouble formulating a strategy for getting there, as they did not experience any strategy or path themselves. The problem of the path though is, if you experienced one, will it work for someone else?
There seem to be some methods common to spiritual traditions that seem to have some success, but the success rate is never astounding, most people just end up believing the understanding part of the process. The common methods seem to be 1. some sort of meditation, and 2. some sort of understanding that the universe has differing aspects, which, 'in reality' are basically the same thing, and 3. if you moderate the mind's conceptualisation capacity sufficiently and reduce the intensity of persistent thoughts by means of these experiential and intellectual practises, all this might make sense sometime during the pursuit, provided you are sufficiently focused on the supposed goal. The goal is a supposition because you cannot know what it is before it manifests; you merely have a belief about what it might be, and that belief is false because it was not concerning a fact, but a metaphor. TM, as with other methods, appears to have a high failure rate, and its intellectual component is misleading as far as expectations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote : Steve, I would say that Tolle is an enlightened person rather than an enlightened teacher. Meaning that he became enlightened and then began to teach what he thought got him enlightened. Like being in the Now. But imo, being in the Now is a result of being enlightened rather than a technique for getting enlightened. On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 11:04 AM, "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: On 7/30/2014 8:36 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Especially to do so with Eckhart who cautions people AGAINST meditation saying that it is often a hindrance to finding freedom in Presence. And he's right. > You idiot! Tolle believes transcending our ego-based state of consciousness is the way out of suffering and into peace. Apparently Eckhart Tolle practiced TM for many years, which was his first foray into a spiritual discipline. Apparently you don't even know what you are talking about. Send in the clowns! 'A New Earth' Awakening to Your Life's Purpose by Eckhart Tolle Penguin, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/3kzv9f http://tinyurl.com/3kzv9f 'The Power of Now' A Guide to Spiritual Enlightenment by Eckhart Tolle New World Library, 2004 http://tinyurl.com/4tq6q5 http://tinyurl.com/4tq6q5 > From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:steve.sundur@...[FairfieldLife] <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 7:22 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tolle: excessive thinking I listened to this. You realize that all he's talking about is trying to achieve the state of pure awareness, both by itself and as being present with other thoughts and activity. It may be the first I really listened to anything he's said, but it's sort of remarkable, that the main gist of his teaching, or at least this little bit, is just, really, a piece of MMY's overall teaching. I defy anyone, (if that would be the appropriate term), to say otherwise. And no, I am not selling anything! Just listen, and see if you come to a different conclusion. Actually, I think its sort of neat to see someone come at from a different angle, although he doesn't offer a direct means to achieve this. He offers indirect means. Not saying its better or worse. But its being presented as though its a fresh insight. Nothing new about it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <cardemaister@...> mailto:cardemaister@... wrote : How do we break the habit of excessive thinking? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTFDfR47dl4 How do we break the habit of excessive thinking? Eckhart explores the powerful addiction to thinking, offering a handful of ways to put a stop to thoughts and choose presence instead. View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo
