---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <jr_esq@...> wrote :
Salyavin, Matter and energy are interchangeable, therefore synonymous. They are the different vibrations of the quantum string. According to John Hagelin, the unified field is made up of an ocean of these quantum strings which bubble up to form matter or universes. Hardly Hagelin's idea, but at least we all agree that matter isn't nothing and that it all has nothing to do with consciousness ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <jr_esq@...> wrote : Wayback, IMO, Krauss and his friends like Hawking and Dawkins are missing a very important and logical point in the creation of the universe. It is that: how can a random quantum energy exist out of nothing and cognize and create spacetime? The fact that spacetime exists shows that Consciousness is involved in creation. Finally a genuine non-sequitur! The fact that you don't understand quantum tunnelling does not mean that consciousness must have been involved in the creation of the universe. And besides, why does consciousness get special treatment in your universe? It is a thing like everything else, to favour one "thing" over another with special dispensation to create universes still doesn't answer the question where that "thing" came from. Basically you still don't know how it all began but are just replacing one mystery with another. Nonetheless, I would agree that a debate between Krauss and Hagelin would be very interesting for everyone in the spiritual and scientific community. Especially if we tell Krauss that Hagelin has been abusing the laws of physics to sell crappy prayers and astrology. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <wayback71@...> wrote : Lawrence Krauss. He is very popular and on the "speaker" circuit of physicists and astronomers since he is engaging and super smart. He teaches at Arizona State U and began the Origins Project there. He often talks about how the Universe came out of Nothing, and how that can be. I would love to listen to Krauss and Hagelin talk. Sam Harris, however, talks of his own experiences that many people would interpret as spiritual or religious - and so he would probably be on target in discussions with Hagelin. Harris's new book, Waking Up: A guide to spirituality without religion, comes out next week, and he will be in demand to discuss it. Perhaps this would be the perfect time for him to be on BatGap. Altho I have not checked, I am sure you can find Krauss all over the internet.
