--- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > THEN, later, when they decided that they wanted to test for
> weather effects,
> 
>  
> > My gracious, how many times does this have to be
> > said?  The weather effects protocol was decided
> > on and publicly announced *before the project
> > even started*.
> 
> Why is that so important to you.

It's important to understanding the study.  It's being
used as a way to suggest they changed things around
after seeing the data to get a better result, which isn't
what happened.  And you're using it to construct all kinds
of speculations about their methodology.  It's just
ridiculous.

They may have changed *other* things around, for all any
of us know, but they didn't just introduce the weather
after the fact.
 
> Regardless, can you tell me what analysis was added in the second
> round of analysis (the 25% result), relative to the the first round
> (the 17%) -- per LBS' post?

Not a clue, sorry.

<snip>
> > You know, it's really, REALLY silly to make complicated
> > statistical analyses of the flaws 
> 
> The above is not a critique. Its not silly.

You've been making a number of criticisms, and it's silly
because, as I said, you don't know what they did; you're
just making it up.  You can't critique a study when you
haven't read it, especially at the level you're doing it.

 it may seem so based on
> your level of knowledge of modeling, I don't know. Its a reasonable
> speculation on what the study actually did, based on the sparseness 
> of coherent explanations.

No, it's not reasonable to speculate at all about
this sophisticated a level of statistical analysis.

> I am trying to understand what they did. Your explanations are not
> grounded in knowledge of regression and ARIMA, so it appears to be a
> pretty unproductive exercise.

Yes, that's what I'm saying.  I can't guide you on
the fine points of the statistical methodology, I
can only tell you the broad outlines.  So for you to
then try to make fine-grained analysis on the basis
of guessing is, as I said, just silly.

> > in a study when you
> > haven't seen it and DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ACTUALLY DID.
> 
> And its getting clearer that you don't either.

I never claimed any knowledge of the details of
the statistical methodology, just the broad outlines
of the study, as I said.

 So perhaps we should
> get a copy of the study. Do you have access?

Oh, please.  What is your *problem*?  If I did, obviously
I'd have posted it here long since.  That's a disingenuous
question.

You could get an offprint of the article from the
journal, most likely.

> Also you said the data set is public. Where? How is it accesssed?

FBI crime stats.  They may be on the Web, or you might
have to go to a library or something.







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