And since Sal said it, Nappy won't argue cause he is running scared of all Scorpions.
________________________________ From: salyavin808 <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 12:29 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: "Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened" ---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote : Now that even the "holy" Lama has admitted his total failure and announced there will not be a 15'th Dalai Lama the Turq's anger is getting out of control. So out of control that he tries to fabricate stuff about the TMO. In other words, nothing new from the Turq. This is actually a pretty standard lecture from Marshy, I heard it loads of times too. Not that I had any time for any of it, but the facts here are what is taught and what is believed by followers: Dying in CC is a big mistake because you never get to evolve to the bigger stuff. ---In [email protected], <turquoiseb@...> wrote : OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. "The drop has returned to the ocean." That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, "Maharishi." I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, "No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC." And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would "correct" them and say, "No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man." OK, he didn't say "Game over, man," but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- "There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing." So if Jerry has actually come to believe that "messages" from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has* actually received messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to believe that either 1) Maharishi's teaching on this subject (which he had parroted many times) was WRONG, or 2) that the teaching might be correct, but that means that Maharishi was never enlightened. If any of you out there are actually in touch with Jerry, ask him to resolve this WTF quandary for me. I mean, I could understand someone who has never spent any time around Maharishi or never even met him (like Jim, Judy, or Lawson) not knowing what Maharishi's teachings were about the impossibility of individuality after death in CC. But Jerry? I've heard him parrot those teachings, and in that "I *know* the Truth so you *really* should believe me" tone of voice he used to use in lectures. So if he is willing to entertain even the *possibility* that these "messages" really come from a now-dead Maharishi who still has individuality, what does that imply about what he (Jerry) now believes? Was the teaching wrong, or was it right, and Maharishi just never enlightened?
