On 9/10/2014 8:04 AM, TurquoiseBee [email protected] [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
In all seriousness, I suspect that Rick has done exactly that.
He really doesn't seem to even notice that the group has developed a
couple of mentally unbalanced types whose highest goal in life seems
to be to "post the most." Or that other people on the forum are
actually encouraging them to do so and egging them on in their
psychosis, as they did previously with other mentally unbalanced
posters like Ravi and Robin.
IMO, the group's already dead. Rick's just hoping that it attracts
vultures to perform a Tibetan "sky burial," so he doesn't have to
spring for a funeral. :-)
>
It's over for you, Barry- Judy isn't here to pick apart all your riffs
and rants and give you attention. Your credibility has been blown to
bits by that levitation story. All you've got left now is the /woo woo
factor/ - you are not a scientist. You lost the debate. Better luck next
time.
>
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*From:* "[email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected]
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:19 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Has Rick decided to kill the Group?
("Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened")
Has Rick Archer decided to kill the group?
This moron danfriedman2002 is splatting shit all across the
forum. I am having great difficulty wading through all this
muck.
*From:* "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
EXCELLENT post Barry - you have officially busted the asses of
everyone who thinks this whole deal is the real deal.
I am passing all this along to my friend Bill who is in touch with
Jerry, the one I mentioned in past posts who has had several extended
phone conversations with Jerry in the past few months. I hope he is
willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer.
--- <turquoiseb@...> wrote :
It would be interesting to hear his answer to my question, although I
doubt he'd really give one. Easier to dodge and weave to avoid
cognitive dissonance than deal with it, especially if you've devoted
50 years *to* avoiding it.
It goes without saying that I see another option to the "either/or" I
laid out below. That was for Jerry -- based on knowing him, those
would be the two options I think he would see. Me, I'd go for
"both/and" -- Maharishi was WRONG about what happens after dying in
enlightenment AND he was never enlightened.
--- <Danfriedman2002@...> wrote :
Jerry Jarvis has spoken his final words to you for his entire life.
And since you believe in dissolving after life, I guess that's it.
This Post counts.
*From:* "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
*To:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:27 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] "Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to
learn you weren't enlightened"
OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming
to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave.
I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now.
The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that
*by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi
was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him
after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a
*possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened.
In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you
would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was,
*according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies,
there can be no individuality left to send such a message. "The drop
has returned to the ocean." That means there ain't no drop (or
personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more.
Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in
showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference
call. And if they do, they don't sign them, "Maharishi."
I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times,
and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to
the microphone and saying, "No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is,
that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a
chance to attain GC or UC."
And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would "correct" them and
say, "No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to
exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and
when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no
personality, no self, nada. Game over, man." OK, he didn't say "Game
over, man," but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers
here on this forum know.
And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He
perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and
I heard him give the same speech many times -- "There is no
individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of
one existing." So if Jerry has actually come to believe that
"messages" from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply?
Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an
either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has*
actually received messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to
believe that either 1) Maharishi's teaching on this subject (which he
had parroted many times) was WRONG, or 2) that the teaching might be
correct, but that means that Maharishi was never enlightened.
If any of you out there are actually in touch with Jerry, ask him to
resolve this WTF quandary for me.
I mean, I could understand someone who has never spent any time around
Maharishi or never even met him (like Jim, Judy, or Lawson) not
knowing what Maharishi's teachings were about the impossibility of
individuality after death in CC. But Jerry? I've heard him parrot
those teachings, and in that "I *know* the Truth so you *really*
should believe me" tone of voice he used to use in lectures.
So if he is willing to entertain even the *possibility* that these
"messages" really come from a now-dead Maharishi who still has
individuality, what does that imply about what he (Jerry) now
believes? Was the teaching wrong, or was it right, and Maharishi just
never enlightened?
